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rico7

PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:44 pm    Author: rico7    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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James1978 wrote:
I don't personally because I always try to see it from the player's eyes, but players and audience can greatly differ!

It's lots of blue wins caused by really bad offers that would make me want to switch off!! I think I must have missed about half the games from last September.(


We need to remember that Endemol are not a charity, and if they are more concerned about the
viewing figures than the players, which I'm sure they are if we're being honest,
then they will probably start mixing things up more with offers to force more contestants to the end
to see more blue and Power 5 wins. I'm convinced they will do that, but I agree with James that
I don't want to see the offers so low that it forces too many blue wins.


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cool-luke-18

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:02 am    Author: cool-luke-18    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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I personally would want to an all-rounder of games, some modest sums, some people going for it whether they end with a blue or one of the power of five. If I was playing I would always go for it thinking well I will only ever sit in the chair once. Ok I would be disappointed if I went home with a blue but I would have no regrets as I would think well at least I gave it a go. If I won a big sum I would feel great just like most people.
Occasionally where people go for it when there is a big red and four blues. It is tense and exciting which is one of the best parts of the show.


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KP

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:10 am    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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Looking at that record lower quartile it's clear that this run is marked out by the 'disappointing' games, well, not being so disappointing.

Daniel-induced generosity improvements and recession-induced conservative play have a lot to do with that.

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DanJudge

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:36 am    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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rico7 wrote:
James1978 wrote:
I don't personally because I always try to see it from the player's eyes, but players and audience can greatly differ!

It's lots of blue wins caused by really bad offers that would make me want to switch off!! I think I must have missed about half the games from last September.(


We need to remember that Endemol are not a charity, and if they are more concerned about the
viewing figures than the players, which I'm sure they are if we're being honest,
then they will probably start mixing things up more with offers to force more contestants to the end
to see more blue and Power 5 wins. I'm convinced they will do that, but I agree with James that
I don't want to see the offers so low that it forces too many blue wins.


I think Noel may start mentioning the streak in the show, which will give the show a bit of a target or a goal and give the people who don't like the safe streak to have a reason to want it to continue. (I genuinely do not know if the streak will beat 25). I think this because he gave Den a very safe 5 box offer and has been giving safe and generous offers for a while. They went to very big lengths to ensure that Doreen would go home with good money, when they probably normally would be rubbing their hands that they may get another quarter-millionaire!.

I think as soon as the streak ends, they will be desperate for a change of show and someone may be on the brunt of some bad "force on" offers (again, this is just speculation). The show is like a soap and is built up in storylines. As soon as this streak ends, they will need to mix it up again and safe £15k wins will not be on the agenda.

As for the argument of consistency over high peaks and troughs, I will say that before I got on the show, I agreed with the fact that I'd like to SEE a few people go for it. Those people were not acquaintances and after 45 minutes, I never will see them again. For that reason, it was acceptable to me that some of them will suffer the inevitable fate of a blue win. My opinion had very little consequence. and as James said, I didn't WANT to see blue wins, but it is an unfortunate inevability of people gambling for the big ones.

When I was on the show, I wanted all of my friends to play much more safely. this is because I am now very close to the consequences, particularly because I even give advice that may lean someone in a certain direction. I have seen the proof and can 10000000% guarantee that from over 20, £10k-20k dealers, there was not even one small regret by the time that player is out of the studio and on the bus. Not one!

During this period, I now want to ONLY see wins of £15k plus and blues are no longer an acceptable result because I have now seen how much happiness these medium-sized wins can generate and the drop to the blue wins is massive compared to the humble lift towards the £30k+ range.

As I left the show, I really would like this streak to continue, but I can already sense that I am reverting back to my original opinion that I want to see people go for it (knowing the consequences may not be kind to some players). The reason is pretty cold, but true and it is just that I have no connection with the people I haven't met. I may like the players or relate to them, but I would struggle to truly CARE about what happens in the days and weeks following their game.

Basically, what has happened to me is that I am part of the group happy to see a mixture of safe wins, power 5s and blue wins, but when you know the people in question, even the hardened gamblers and sensationalists in all of us revert to this safe way of spreading the wealth where everyone can be happy and all equal (ish). As soon as my deep connection with the players has become a shallow connection, I revert back to wanting to see the big headline games!!!

Basically all that waffle was to say that my opinion as a Viewer and as a friend are very different and can understand that people may hate this streak and with another group of contestants, it would mean nothing to me, but right now, I LOVE IT!!!


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Tom

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:51 am    Author: Tom    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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greeny wrote:
There was that extraordinary week last February where the 250k came to the table 3 times in 4 days (Kate, Justin and Nicola), which fuelled the Wakeyists, and I remember I wasn't enjoying the forums as much back then.


They were great games from what I remember, but as you said, the reaction on here was far from great.

To be fair though, I've enjoyed this recent games a lot more than i did this time last year. Whether or not thats down to the run of good wins, I don't know, but the games are just generally better at the moment, if you catch my drift.


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alexandercbrown

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:30 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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Interesting points, I think most of the offers have been well pitched recently without being too high although there have been a few generous ones . There haven't been any ludicrous deals (Kath's and Alfonso's were only the most conservative). It's fairly good but a few more power 5 wins would be welcome.

Last year was bad because we got into a bad cycle of bad luck and low offers which apparently drove down players expectations/confidence.


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KP

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:59 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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Dan's post in summary: it's good to see the excitement of a nail-biting finish, but not as good as a blue win is bad. However, the viewers watching from a detached vantage point don't fully appreciate this, and so the desire for high drama wins out.

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DanJudge

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:01 pm    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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Hannah £11,176. Well done Hannah!


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Power5

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:01 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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KP wrote:
Dan's post in summary: it's good to see the excitement of a nail-biting finish, but not as good as a blue win is bad. However, the viewers watching from a detached vantage point don't fully appreciate this, and so the desire for high drama wins out.

Well there has to be a mixture really. Preferably with most people winning decent sums of money and with the gamblers being people who are true to themselves rather than influenced by other factors, but the big amounts have to be winnable or otherwise there's no point having them on the board at all. One win of the top prize in 1000 shows is not enough in my opinion, though part of it has just been bad luck in never getting the right combination of player and board when it came to the table.

The current streak is good to watch in a "can it break the record" sense and it's also good to see people winning decent sums of money (20 £10k+ wins out of 21 now is it?) But it's entertainment TV and if it becomes totally predictable it's boring and people will switch off, as I did for much of last year. Equally boring of course would be Wakey DOND where nobody ever dealt, or Mad Mark DOND where the board started at £1,000.

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KP

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:34 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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Can't argue at all. Most people getting good wins, but with the occasional big finish either way, is important; said big finishes coming from those who genuinely do have lower risk-aversion levels rather than higher levels of trust in the host and producers is even more important.

The current streak of games is quietly satisfying rather than explosive (even one of the exceptions won a moderate amount!), and I daresay that's what a large chunk of the audience want, especially now. Whether they'll start itching for something different or not any time soon is impossible to say, and I suspect a huge chunk of the audience couldn't care less as the show is now appointment-to-view wallpaper TV for them anyway.

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DanJudge

PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:04 pm    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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Rich, £10k, well done mate!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:05 pm    Author: killersbee    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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Well we scored another one today, but once again it was not a banker spanking

I sure hope we get one tomorrow

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:53 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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I'm not sure if anybody cares, but I've just updated my 'moving quartiles' chart.

LOOK AT THAT BLUE LINE JUMP UP! That's because we've now gone a whole 22 games in succession where the minimum win was £8000! (The previous record was just £1000.)

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Explanation of what the lines represent is given earlier in the thread, but I'll copy it here too.

MINIMUM (blue line). That's the smallest win out of the preceding 22 games.
LOWER QUARTILE (orange line). That's the amount of money that three-quarters of the preceding 22 players exceeded.
MEDIAN (yellow line). That's the amount of money that half of the preceding 22 players exceeded.
UPPER QUARTILE (green line). That's the amount of money that one-quarter of the preceding 22 players exceeded.
MAXIMUM (dark red line). That's the biggest win out of the preceding 22 games.

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Power5

PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:11 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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I believe Johnny is now the only player on the wings to have witnessed a blue win (not counting any games they saw in the audience/green room before joining the show). That will certainly be a first, other than shows 1-25 where nobody had seen one!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:01 pm    Author: greeny    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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Patricia - £23,250

The red run continues


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rico7

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:02 pm    Author: rico7    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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The red run continues, only just though! :D
Clearly the banker has had enough of cautious games, he obviously doesn't care about the streak!


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DanJudge

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:16 pm    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!

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rico7 wrote:
The red run continues, only just though! :D
Clearly the banker has had enough of cautious games, he obviously doesn't care about the streak!


Maybe you're right Rico. One other alternative though (and I'm not totally convinced of this even myself), but maybe the banker was forced to make a low offer because it was the exact same scenario (more or less) that Rich had. The last thing the show wants is to let viewers start to know exactly what is coming, so the low offer was put in to push the game into a new scenario.

Like I say, this is just a passing thought. Judging by the fact that Noel/Banker are not mentioning the streak, it makes me think that maybe it isn't the real reason why the offers have been consistently competitive.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:26 pm    Author: killersbee    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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Indeed it does, but yet again it's not an OPW :?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:01 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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One more to go to equal the record then! We've got to wait 2 days to find out if they do though...

...and Sunday's show will start with nobody on the wings who has ever witnessed a blue win! First time since show 26 that's been the case!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:53 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: Current Streak!
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I'm predicting a £250 win on Sunday.

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