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**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:39 pm **Author:** LittleFrog **Post subject:**

Steve that's the funniest thing I've ever seen!!!! Great stuff!

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Hahah that was brilliant!

On reflection, I think it would be pretty easy to knock the box off. If you think about it, the boxes look really light as they lift up a bit when the contestants open them quickly. To knock it over the ledge, you would just need to hit the near face of the box upwards - if you see what i mean, to lift it up so it would topple over.

The box would then need to land on the hinge, not on the top as someone mentioned, which would mean the box would come open and would always land facing upwards, as the box part (as opposed to the lid part) is much heavier.

The only thing which remains unexplained is how the seal broke. I don't know exactly how the seals work, I always thought they were velcro which doesn't really lend itself to being opened by a jolt. Maybe the seal came unattached from the box completely?

I know it seems like I'm reading way too far into this but, on reflection (contrary to my earlier post) I hate to think that it was a scandal, the fact that Noel thought he wasn't being filmed and didn't say anything untoward would suggest it was all just an accident. In my mind the contestants all love each other very much, I don't want to think this was in any way intentional. Jason obviously agrees, and he was pretty close to the whole thing.

Hope this long post doesn't spammify the forum :-D

xxx

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:46 pm **Author:** the1pclub **Post subject:**

Agreed terrific reconstruction Steve! :lol:

You should be working on Crimewatch soon

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:49 pm **Author:** NoelsBi-Atch **Post subject:**

LMAO Steve, the artwork in the reconstruction is amazing.

You must be a graphic designer or something? Are you?

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:50 pm **Author:** Steve **Post subject:**

NoelsBi-Atch wrote:

LMAO Steve, the artwork in the reconstruction is amazing.

You must be a graphic designer or something? Are you?

Of course

I made the google earth pictures, and I bet you thought they were real photographs!

:-D

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:10 pm **Author:** **Kay** **Post subject:**

Steve wrote:

NoelsBi-Atch wrote:

LMAO Steve, the artwork in the reconstruction is amazing.

You must be a graphic designer or something? Are you?

Of course

I made the google earth pictures, and I bet you thought they were real photographs!

:-D

i did!!!! god you are a genius my friend xxxx

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Interesting - the More4 repeat tonight doesn't show Noel taking Massimo off to one side, but does show more of a chat between Massimo & the crew and the make-up person touching up his head before they continue the recording!

Cheers

Michael

**Joined:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:40 pm **Warnings:** 0

I also noticed that; I even checked the video of last night's show to make sure. Why show different clips of the event on the main show and the repeat?

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Quote:

Emma has box 7, she peels off the seal which you can clearly hear and reveals 10p. Everyone cheers. Massimo claps and when he begins to walk over to Emma to hug her, just as his head hides behind Noel’s you hear a bang. When Massimo and Emma are hugging you can see Lofty looking over at the west wing. Emma notice the incident. Massimo walks back to the table, remains standing and a couple of seconds later the cameras focus on the incident where you see Tom’s box number 4 opened lying on the floor. You can hear one of the production crew say “It’s Tom the contestant, er his knocked his box off and it’s opened.” The camera then shows the box clearly on the floor showing that it is a red and the figures ,000.

Noel: Well this has never ever happened. And we have an issue.

Massimo looks very shocked.

Noel: Oh dearem dearem

One of the production team member walks over to the box, closes it.

Noel: Er, ladies and gentleman, this is er, this situation has never happened before. Erm and this game is all about honesty and fairness and it gives us a dilemma, er and the only fair way, is to, coz you saw the box we now know the value of that box, is the boxes will have with the independent adjudicator to be removed and will have to be reshuffled on the random principle that they are normally, er including your box.

Massimo: Yep

Noel: But the game play remains as of now, obviously, so you still….

Audience start to clap

One of the production crew: so it’s going to stay the same, the amounts will stay exactly the same, the boxes that are left.

Crew members collecting the boxes and contestants walking around.

Noel: Are you happy with that Massimo?

Massimo: Yea, coz I was over there at, I was over there at 7 and wasn’t aware that there was a box on the floor, but as it was picked up I saw a glimpse of red, so I know it’s a red.

Noel: What I want to know is one hundred percent happy with that decis…come, come, come over coz it’s not fair to throw it all at you sitting there.

Noel takes Massimo round the back of the studio, cameras on Tom and contestants.

Noel: I want you to be hundred percent happy with that decision as being the fairest way of doing it.

Massimo: Yes, yes

Noel: You understand what their saying, they take the boxes, and the independent adjudicator will re-allocate on a random basis?

Massimo: That’s a lovely gesture thanks Noel.

Noel: ok

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Quote:

Noel: Oh dearem dearem.

Hah, Noel cracks me up.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:15 pm **Author:** greeny **Post subject:**

I don't know why, but I get the feeling that the boxes weren't shuffled and box 4 had £5,000 to begin with.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:28 pm **Author:** flash **Post subject:**

Hmmm, INTERESTING!

I imagine you *could* knock the box off. Although you should be being very careful; I remember one time the makeup lass was leaning across the desk to touch me up and she was told to go round to the other side as the box was not in view while she was stood there. I was always scared of opening mine too early etc!

But from time to time I would lean forward (for comfort, when tense, etc), and I can imagine you might spring back from that position in celebration and knock it... you'd have to use some force but because of the lip I guess it would flip over, rather than slide off

It's odd that the seal was off, but sometimes they were hard to open, sometimes they came away very easily. I suppose once they are on they can't test the tightness without undoing them!

I found the clip very interesting - a chance to see all the crew guys and gals again! - but I really don't think there was anything sinister going on, from the contestant or the crew. I would like to think that the remaining numbers were allocated to boxes at random.

Oh, and it was said in the paper that they USED to use excel's "random" number generator, but if you remember the sequencegate stuff, they don't do that any more and haven't for weeks!

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:34 pm **Author:** Maltus **Post subject:**

Wish I'd seen this show, I've been away. But having seen the relevant clip, I do feel sorry for Tom as well as Massimo. Yes, he was clumsy but in the heat of the moment these kind of things happen. I'm sure he didn't do it deliberately, that would just be malicious and vindictive and theres no way he would have done that. He looked devastated after the incident.

The whole studio was in shock, so am I...! :shock:

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:00 pm **Author:** bramernic **Post subject:**

I'm pretty sure that it was a big one. I've drawn two lines to demonstrate how much of the inside of the box lid we can see. I reckon it's just under half the width, which means that the amount was almost certainly six figures + the £ sign.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:04 pm **Author:** greeny **Post subject:**

I'm convinced its £5,000 still.

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**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:15 pm **Author:** Steve **Post subject:**

I think that the only way your first picture could be true is if he is superman :shock:

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:18 pm **Author:** Steve **Post subject:**

The Banker, tell us your video then :-D

I saw it on YouTube but it says "User removed video"

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:21 pm **Author:** greeny **Post subject:**

It was a series of drawings animated showing how the box dropped to the floor. The graphics were as amazing (*cough*) as your drawings.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:25 pm **Author:** Steve **Post subject:**

greeny wrote:

It was a series of drawings animated showing how the box dropped to the floor. The graphics were as amazing (*cough*) as your drawings.

They surely weren't as good as mine :-D

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