they do match

better leave well alone

Wow. That's REALLY intriguing. Two cents to add:

As far as the Banker is concerned, even if he knows the sequence, he has no knowledge of the sequence of boxes that the player will select (barring those who do something like numerical order). So there's not some sort of conspiracy on his part, IMO.

But if that was the case he would know what was in the contestants box - thereby dictating his offers...

i think there is a new sequence

pretty conclusive proof today

Today is sequence B, so Trevor has got 1p in his box and Marilyn has the jackpot.

I wonder if there will be any official statement - MisterAl certainly has enough evidence now to take to the press if he wanted.

How did you know it was sequence B?

Where is sequence B?

What sequence is tomorrow?

I'm confused

Also, maybe we shouldn't be publicising this....but waiting for more shows to prove the theory incase C4/Endemol see this...

Unfortunately the theory has been proved in dramatic style today. Only a matter of time before the papers get hold of this.

How? Where?

I don't get it

Boxes come out as they do...no conspiracy theory I reckon...

Have a look at the evidence - www.bothersbar.co.uk - under Monday's report for Deal or No Deal. I think you'll agree its fairly conclusive...

The big question is does the banker/production crew know about these sequences. If they do then it has serious implications as to the integrity of the show.

If the banker knows what the contestant has in his box he can adjust his offers during the game and try to get the contestant to play on or try and get an earlier deal.

Now the sequences have been discovered, the next step is to see if there is any relation between what the contestant had in their box and if the offers they received seem to reflect if the banker had possibly known what was in the box.

There have been quite a few games where many people have commented on the 'cruelty' of the bankers offers at certain stages of the game. It's going to be very interesting over the next day or so as more theories and stats emerge.

It will also be interesting to see if there is any comment from Endemol/Channel4, we know they watch the websites due to previous communications I've had with them.

To clarify some confusion first. Although these sequences have been discovered they do NOT allow any of 'us' to predict the outcome of any game until that game has started and a few boxes have been opened and a sequence if known has been identified. There are some games that haven't fitted into the known sequences, but that could mean that the sequence hasn't been found yet. The question to be asked is does the banker know of these sequences beforehand.

Here is my attempt to explain the sequences that have been found - I hope it makes sense. The sequences were first revealed over at bothersbar and this is where I have reproduced the sequence chart from.



Above is a table with 5 of the sequences discovered. Now to explain how the sequences work, I'll use Trevor's game today to explain it.

You need to note down the box numbers and the amounts contained in them, so today it started

box8---£5,000, box5---£5, box13---£35,000, box9---£100,000, box4---£1

right so now if we list these down in box order you get

Box No. Amount
1 ----------??
2 ----------??
3 ----------??
4 ----------£1
5 ----------£5
6 ----------??
7 ----------??
8 ----------£5,000
9 ----------£100,000
etc.etc

Now look at the sequence chart above and ignore the box numbers but look down each sequence column and see if you can find a match. Your looking for a column that has the £1 with £5 below it then a gap of 2 and then £5,000 followed by £100,000.

Looking through the columns you will see that the above falls into column B!!!!

Now if you fill in the gaps based on that column you get

Box No Amount
1 ----------£250,000
2 ----------£75,000
3 ----------£20,000
4 ----------£1
5 ----------£5
6 ----------£1,000
7 ----------£500
8 ----------£5,000
9 ----------£100,000
10 ----------10p
11 --------- 50p
12 ---------£10,000
13 ----------£35,000
14 ----------1p
15 ----------£10
16 -----------£100
17 ----------£750
18 ----------£15,000
19 ----------£3,000
20 -----------£50
21 -----------£250
22 -----------£50,000

Now look at Trevors game and see how it fits in, i've listed it in the order Trevor opened the boxes.

8 - £5,000
5 - £5
13 - £35,000
9 - £100,000
4 - £1
12 - £10,000
3 - £20,000
19 - £3,000
6 - £1,000
2 - £75,000
15 - £10
16 - £100
18 - £15,000
7 - £500
17 - £750
11 - 50p
22 - £50,000

Now is that spooky?!?

WOW

i thought he did it at random.

i am now recording what number is in what box (just like max did) and compare it to one of the sequences in the picture you put in the post

*stunned thinking the Independent Adjudicator was putting them at random

First, thanks to all that have contributed the stats to this thread, and esp to that last post from Kestral which really makes it VERY simple to understand.

This certainly throws a new light onto our understanding of the game, and the role of the banker.
If the banker is aware of these sequences, and lets face it, if he wasn't before then he is now, then it puts most outcomes entirely in the hands of the TV company. The banker can pin-point a sequence in the first five boxes, and given that no-one take the first offer unless they open the power five in the first round, he can then control all the ups and downs that we watch the program for.

I'll give Endemol a day or two to make their official statement first...

The first deal or no deal numbers scandal. This is going to be fun.

Have Endemol been contacted? Its not looking good for them at the moment - and even if the Banker doesn't know of the sequences, doubt has been placed in our minds as the discerning viewing audience... I hope there is a reasonable explanation for this mistake.