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psychokiller

PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:31 pm    Author: psychokiller    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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Ah, sounds like psychokiller has injected a bit of him into you Dan! :-D :smt023


I don't inject myself into people anymore, not since... the accident.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:52 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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On the subject of Noel's charade in John G's game - What a contrast to the same time a year later when Noel was EXTREMELY blunt (often OTT) towards players who dealt too soon. February/March 2007 was the worst period for Noel's 'Wakey-ism' as the old school forum referred to it. One of the worst examples was Limbo Alex who dealt at £18,500 on an 8-box with £50k, £100k and virtually nothing else (And the offer was 92% of the average), yet when he dealt, everyone gasped in horror and Noel turned into a right prat in the proveouts. Didn't Noel make a big fuss out of Alex's £21k proveout offer - just £2,500 more than what he dealt at - at 2-box or something?? :shock: :? :smt009\

Spiky Paul, £41k Nev, Ingerlise, Teary Donna, Limbo Alex, £42,047.48 Gus, £27.5k Steve and £29k Kelsie were among the worst of Noel's guilt trips during the late 2006/Early 2007 era. He was pretty bad in Ann-Marie's game in late April 2007 as well, but by then, the early 2007 annoyances like Noel's wakeyism, blue chants, red chants, lack of characters on the wings, offers being too high (especially in the proveouts) etc. were waning


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:16 pm    Author: psychokiller    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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12 years ago today, Okiem played. What was notable about this game? He called upon his audience dwelling brother to support and advise him during important decisions. This was a watershed moment for the time and earned him a spot in the hall of fame as well as a repeat during the 2007 'classic' DOND slot during Saturday afternoons.

That is rather funny to reflect on because of course, not so long afterwards, participation from family in the audience became a DOND staple and actually clouded a fair few games as the player was obviously influenced by their, shall we say, persuasive input. What was once a noteworthy trope became something that was outright detested by many people and they would hopelessly wish for a game where somebody *didn't* intervene.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:22 pm    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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Oak was fantastic! and for the banker to reward him with an almost on-the-mean final offer of £17k on a £50/£35k final 2 after an all-blue final round was fantastic :D Shows you just how generous the banker's late game offers were back then, alas the super generous late game offers were on their last legs before they suddenly stopped a weak later and the banker slipped into a bit of a stingy offer phase for the next couple of months - In fact, there was another game a few weeks later which followed the exact same path as the Oak's game to 2-box (Steve from April 1 i think?) but felt quite bland and forgettable in comparison as he dealt at a stingy 2-box offer of £7,000 on a slightly better 2-box :?

Speaking of crap deals, it's 12 years since since Beryl's game :-D Lovely lady with a great personality but unfortunately remembered more for her dealing at £3,100 at 11-box with the £250k, making her perhaps THE most cautious player of all time (Though i think £9k Glen from a couple of weeks earlier was the founder of the 'horrible deals club' rather than Beryl). Beryl sadly passed away in 2014, and even in 2006, she wasn't in the best health, hence her being in a wheelchair/frame and playing on only her 13th show :( :cry:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:17 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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12 years ago was the lovely Anna who played the 100th game of DoND. A game that marked the end of an era for the show, as it was the last show to feature the original white box inserts before the new red and blue box inserts were brought in, and was also, arguably the end of the banker's 2005 late game generous offers.

Anna had a great game that was spookily similar to Mally's game as she declined 4 joke offers and then suddenly got a cast-iron deal offer of £43,000at 5-box which she DEALT, but ended up with a £1/£250k finish and had the £250k on the table :shock: The only real difference between this game and Mally's game was that Anna's proveout offer was 'only' £91,000 (the first ever sub-£100k offer on a £250k finish by the way) and not a ridiculous AMO like Mally!


From the first game to air on this date to the last game to air on this date, 2 years ago, Olivia played the last game to ever air on this date and gave us an entertaining game with a difference as she put on a fire dance in her game :shock: :D She also got a great win of £26,000 and an OPW to boot! :smt023


Not much happened 1 year ago today as DoND was long gone by this point. But in my series with Jimmy Carr hosting, it was Bridget's game, she got off to a great start by not touching the power-5 in the first two rounds and getting generous (for early in the series) offers of £7,500 and £14,000, then she lost the £100k in the third round which saw the banker suddenly go into stingy mode by DROPPING her offer to £9,800 sdgthju From there, the game started to fall apart, but she turned it around in the last round, where the perfect round left Bridget with a £5k/£50k final 2 and a VERY generous offer of £26,500, which Bridget DEALT but was denied a much-deserved spanking by having £50k in her box


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:57 pm    Author: psychokiller    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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12 years ago was the lovely Anna who played the 100th game of DoND. A game that marked the end of an era for the show, as it was the last show to feature the original white box inserts before the new red and blue box inserts were brought in, and was also, arguably the end of the banker's 2005 late game generous offers.

Anna had a great game that was spookily similar to Mally's game as she declined 4 joke offers and then suddenly got a cast-iron deal offer of £43,000at 5-box which she DEALT, but ended up with a £1/£250k finish and had the £250k on the table :shock:


And of course you naturally got the ''fixed it'' brigade out simply because the £250,000 was on the table for what happened to be a 'milestone' show.

Then this was very shortly blown open by the revelation of 'sequencegate' which really did plunge the show's sincerity into doubt. Easy to forget how big this was at the time, I've been reading around on contemporaneous forum threads across the 'net land and it was a source of fervent discussion, even the 'normals' were shooting the breeze about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:10 am    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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JamesJMH91 wrote:
Ah, sounds like psychokiller has injected a bit of him into you Dan! :-D :smt023


I don't inject myself into people anymore, not since... the accident.


To both of those comments:

:shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:39 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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Okiem's game...I watched that again a few weeks ago. Remembered in my mind for one spine-tingling moment - box selection 20, third and final box of round six, last box of the game. He's had poor luck throughout, turned down £2,500 on four blues and £35k. Miraculously, the big one has survived to this point. Okiem needs one more blue, that's all, just one more blue number.

The audience and contestants are in a frenzy, roaring Okiem on like an army. He makes his final selection. Noel, visibly and audibly shaking and on edge, bellows, 'CANDICE OPEN BOX TWENTY'

Candice opens box 20. It's £10.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:17 pm    Author: American Coupon Boy    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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I'm surprised you didn't criticize his decision to turn down £2,500, Daniel. :P

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:12 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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11 years ago was Susan's game, one of the best and most underrated games and characters of early 2007. She dealt at £42,000 on a 50p/£100k finish, and totally SPANKED the banker by only having the loose change in her box!! :shock: :D I believe Susan and Calum were the only games that EVER produced £40k+ final offers on a blue/£100k finish in active play?!

Susan's departure from E11 and subsequent wing replacement also marked an event that caused a surprising amount of controversy on here :shock:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:28 am    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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I'm surprised you didn't criticize his decision to turn down £2,500, Daniel. :P


Good call, Mr ACB! In fairness he did have £750 as a back-up, and although I can't actually remember what the likelihood would be of hitting both the highest amounts in the same round, I'm sure there wasn't much of a threat that it would happen, statistically speaking. £2,500 wasn't exactly a fantastic offer either, talking in tactical terms now; it was low enough that Okiem considered the gamble worth taking, and also low enough that the figure itself wasn't cause for deep thought anyway. So the banker put himself in check-mate with that one, and I can definitely see why Okiem decided to give it a shot. :smt023

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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A decade ago, Courtney Cox lookalike and once forum regular Sarah spanked the banker after dealing for £18,500, which was desperately needed after 3 trainwrecks preceding it, perhaps best known for the banker shooting himself after the proveout went Sarah's way following the deal!! :shock:

Although this week in 2008 ended with 2 much-needed great OPWs, the 3 trainwrecks at the start of the week had sadly set the tone for much of the year :(


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:24 pm    Author: psychokiller    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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12 years today was the very first game I watched from beginning to end. Germaine, from the North West.

His final round was a bitter pill to swallow at the time, his 5-box was £1, £3k, £35k/£50k and the crackpot. Having found £3k first, all he needed was to say ''Matt, noomber 8'' to see the £1 and we'd have likely had our first jackpot winner at quite an early stage in the show's history. I wonder how different that would have made things? Many casuals that made up the heavy hitting 3-4million audience were simply waiting for someone to ''finally win it''... they'd keep on waiting until just into the new year of 2007, allowing DOND to have a 'peak' that spanned all of 2006. Had Germaine won it in March 2006, would the show have lost its lustre in an era which is now defined as the absolute golden age? Hmm.

His final offer of £75,000 was derided by everyone at the time, even in-show (unthinkable in an era when every offer had to be clapped even if it was for The Banker's nail clippings in a suspiciously yellow-ey sock). Of course, as I probably pointed out before, 1p Trevor would have certainly set the precedent for ''not that high, really'' final offers between a blue and the £250,000. His offer would have been £50,000 max.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:05 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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6 years ago, Damien had one of the worst crashes ever. No-dealing £40k at 8-box, only to have the near-impossible £425k nightmare round! :shock: :( After that, he was left with no more than £20k at 8-box and sadly went away with £1. This game pretty much set the tone for the remainder of March 2012, which was very poor month for both the show and the forum sadly

7 years ago, Danielle has another total trainwreck game where she had the £50k and NINE blues at 10-box!! At the end of the game, her husband payed £50 so Danielle could have a holiday!! I remember the forum crashing after this game and this was also the £50's third of an extraordinary FIVE consecutive appearances on the table! :shock: :shock:

9 years ago, Claire went all the way, swapped her box and won £35,000 :D :smt023

11 years ago, another £35k box win happened in the form of Chantelle, who was one of the most opinion-splitting players ever! :shock: :D

12 years ago, Candice bizarrely dealt at £19k with the £20k/£75k/£100k still higher at 5-box having turned down £32k a round earlier! :? Her show was the first to ever feature the hypothetical SWAP at 2-box, and Candice really had £75,000 but the hypo-swap was done to make it look like she had £500 on the table :?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:26 pm    Author: psychokiller    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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12 years ago, Candice bizarrely dealt at £19k with the £20k/£75k/£100k still higher at 5-box having turned down £32k a round earlier! :? Her show was the first to ever feature the hypothetical SWAP at 2-box, and Candice really had £75,000 but the hypo-swap was done to make it look like she had £500 on the table :?


I mentioned this before, but I reckon a lot of people forget just how early this first hypo-swap was, the absolute golden age for the show in what was probably the most viewed week of them all (the audience record of 4.66 million fell on the Saturday with Marcus). 'Controversial' swaps are more associated with the second season with the likes of PJ and Barbara.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:07 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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Oh i also forgot to mention Kristi's game 8 years ago where her game had a twist where Kristi would predict the banker's offers and if she was correct, the banker would increase the offer or something?? Who would've thought that the offer prediction thing would become permanent some years later!

I still remember Kristi quite well and i can't say she was favourite contestant, as she seemed quite moody and cocky at times throughout her game. She acted as if she was so sure she would get the prediction right and then made faces as if she was constipated whenever she got them wrong! :P


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:09 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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It's an interesting comment you make psycho about the swap, particularly the hypo-swap - one of the most profound things I took from re-watching most of season 1 (as many as James Booker could find and upload to the Tube of Yous, anyway) was that the swap was generally, in its first few stagings, perceived as a joke. Rather than the straightforward choice between two boxes that it became, at first the players saw it as the banker taking the mickey, trying to goad them and play pointless mind games by offering a seventh decision in a game they'd been promised would need only six from them at most.

Irene, I think, laughed, and took up the swap because of the sheer novelty of it; herself and Noel eventually worked out a way that they'd go about the process itself, which entailed both walking over to the other contestant, Noel giving them Irene's box and Irene taking back the new box.
Nick, in the next show, interpreted it as a comic prop, set up to mirror the tragicomedy that his game had been ('What is it, forty?' 'No, £30' 'Oh, see, I'd have taken it at £40...'). It hadn't worked for Irene, so he might as well try his hand; didn't work for him either. :P

The swap was first offered to Oli, though, quite early on; with £5,000 and £15,000 left, Noel put down the phone laughing ('he-he-he...you're not a very nice man!') and said to Oli, 'we haven't had this happen before; do you know what the offer is? The offer is, you can swap the box if you wish!'. This was met with disbelief, a lot of muttering from various anonymous people and a generally...stunned...atmosphere. 'I would never swap!', said Oli, to much delight and rapturous applause. He didn't swap, and he won the £5,000, which was about right for a guy who came across incredibly badly throughout his game. Seriously, his only redeeming quality was that he was an exact replica of a twenty-something Jim Carrey. :suspect:

Anyway, so the swap itself didn't carry any gravitas until some point in February of 2006, from my recollection, when for whatever reason, players began considering it as a serious option that may reap rewards. Interestingly, the first swap that really paid dividends, I'd say, was Valerie's in October 2006 (10p for £10,000); there were a few who swapped low blues for honorary blues, and Khanny got himself out of jail by giving away a fiver for £5,000, but we hadn't witnessed a really life-changing swap until Valerie, whose game I have no recollection of whatsoever.

The hypo swap wasn't treated with nearly as much ado in Candice's game - I've just watched the ending to re-familiarise myself, and it was more about the other box being her lucky number, and how she would've swapped if it was offered, and she pretty much invited the banker to offer it anyway; he did, she did, and I suppose if you take a post-modern view of Deal or No Deal, she ended up beating him in a roundabout kind of way.

There ends the lecture. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:33 pm    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...

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I think Connell's was the first time someone swapped away a large-ish amount for pocket change but £5k Matt was the first time a swap went dramatically wrong, and was outdid by £1k Barbara a couple of weeks later!

I still don't know which was worse out of £1k Barbara and (Miss) Orry who swapped away a £100k box for £1, as (s)he still got a £1k bonus because of the Christmas twist. I suppose Barbara's was worse in a way because she turned down some crap offers, in a game where many of us would've won £100,000, then the decision to swap the box literally came out of the blue at the last second and when cost of her mistake had become known, Barbara was so overcome with shock she was near tears and could barely get the words out of her mouth. (Miss) Orry's was heart-wrenching, and could've easily been avoided, but unlike Barbara's decision to swap which was seemed like a sudden rush of blood to the head, Orry was extremely sentimental and we all kind of knew (s)he was going to swap at the end (it was definitely sentiment rather than greed that drove Orry to the end. Around this time was the beginning of melodramatic sob-story era)

Anyway, happy 12 years since MAD SARAH's game. Happy 9 years since £250k ALICE and Happy 11 years since Patrick dealt at £50,000, but the reaction in the studio was as if the world just ended when he undersold a £250k box!!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:23 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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Yes, Patrick was quite poignant, actually; he said ruefully, 'you know, thirty-odd years ago, I might have gone for it...'

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:31 pm    Author: American Coupon Boy    Post subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 11 Years Since...
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Ignoring the box contents, Patrick played a very great game. He took several large but calculated risks turning down his 3rd and 4th offers, and even treated the Banker's intense mind games at 8 box (raising the offer £30,001 and a picture of Julian would crashed from that amount to £1k on a similar bit significantly weaker 8 box) with the disapproval and ignorance it deversed. He then got rewarded with an extremely generous 5 box offer that was over £10,000 above the Fair Deal (in another era that configuration would draw an offer of £35,000 max!) which without hindsight only a risk oblivious player would decline with a 50/50 chance of the final offer being a lot less and only a 20% chance of final offer being significantly more.

If Patrick's game took place in most periods between mid-2008 onwards, the Banker wouldn't need to remind Patrick of previous games as the wings would do it for him, and he'd probably get someone with Patrick's circumstances out for roughly £20,000 at 8 box. So while early 2007 was tainted by the blue chants and Noel's wakeyist attitude, it still produced a LOT of games that would've been warmly welcomed stand-outs in nearly any other era.

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