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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:16 
Derek's game today.

Noel gives us a BIG hello today, and says how it has all gone horribly wrong this week and runs through the last 3 games and how the banker has saved himself a fortune so far...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:17 
Not bad, last few games 2 reds, few blues and yesterday £35,000 he had.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:18 
I really like Derek, i really want him to win a massive sum of money!!

Good Luck Derek! :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:19 
Derek has box 18 today. Derek is a retired railway signalman from Swindon, and worked as one for over 40 years... Noel asks him what isambard kingdom brunel was really like :P

Derek shows us a few of his family photos...

Noel tells Derek his politness while on the wings has not gone unnoticed...


Here we go...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:20 
Round 1

19 - £35,000 Caron

8 - £10,000Gemma

You do like your reds says Noel, and he thinks Derek looks like an umpire now :P

14 - £50 Sheila

4 - 50p Matty

2 - £750 Matt

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:23 
The banker says he is on time today :P Noel tells the banker that he has spent £71,000 to save himself over half a million pounds! The banker says he has splashed out on an Armani string vest :P Derek is now in the Hall of Fame as the most polite contestant to date...

Noel says he lied about the string vest and it's a bulletproof vest for his next offer!!!

Banker offers

£529


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:23 
Derek says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:23 
£529? :ponder:


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:24 
Derek the polite, this should be a good game :-)


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:26 
Noel wonders what the 529 means, and then twigs that it's the £529,000 that the banker has saved over the past 3 games...

Next round

5 - £50,000 Joy

7 - £250,000 Steve

That answers one question says Noel, the £250,000 won't be here for the 3rd day in a row...

Noel calls a break after trying to get Derek to call it by doing a cricket line :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:30 
We're back
Last box before the banker...

Derek goes to newbie Alex next

10 - £100,000 Newbie Alex

Noel says he warn him about the newbies!!

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:31 
ohh noo, £50k, £100k and £250k in three boxes!!

He doesnt deserve this!! :(


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:31 
Ouch...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:33 
Noel tells Derek he is in the hall of fame again for the 2nd worse round of all time!! The banker says that round was a tragedy as Derek called out box 22 but then said Steve who doesn't have that box, and that caused the collapse!

The banker is going to be kind to Derek now as it was Steve's fault for opening the box so quickly and not giving Derek a chance to correct his mistake...

Banker offers

£1,005.29


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:33 
Derek says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:34 
I didn't even notice that he asked for box 22...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:35 
Next round

13 - 10p Shaz

Derek calls out Sarah box 15, but Sarah points out she has box 21! Noel makes a point to Steve how Sarah was polite and pointed that out :P

21 - £5 Sarah

3 - £20,000 Mark

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:36 
This is appauling luck at the moment says Noel, and Derek is not giving the banker any pressure to make good offers at the moment...

Banker offers

£4,000


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:38 
There are some groans from the pilgrims, and Noel reminds them that it's all Steve's fault for these low offers!!! :shock: :P

Derek says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:40 
Next round

Derek says he was hoping he brought 9 to the table as that's a lucky number for him...

9 - 1p :D Ken

20 - £1,000 Phil

Noel asks Derek if he needs time to think now and wants a break.... Noel then goes over and gets Steve to go around the pilgrims and individually apologise for ruining the game!!! :P


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:42 
£50,000 £250,000 then £100,000! Disaster of a round! :shock: :shock:


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:45 
We're back
Last box before the banker...

Steve is still apologising :P Noel tells us one bloke punched him in the face and he totally agrees with that!!!

17 - £1 Jean

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:46 
Slowly getting there...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:46 
Noel thanks Derek for that good round... The banker says that Steve is fully redeemed now, 100 people in 3 mins, and even Sarah can't manage that :shock: :P

Banker offers

£8,000


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:47 
Derek goes to Dave, who says it's a very good offer, and Shaz agrees... Ken tells him he could have the £15,000 or £75,000 sat in front of him...

Derek says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:49 
Noel says that is very brave...

Next round

15 - £100 Nicola

1 - £10 Dave

This is a massive box now says Noel

6 - £15,000 Ruth

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:50 
Oo-er! Could have done without that last one going!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:50 
It's not a disaster says Noel...

Banker offers

£12,000


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:51 
What a great recovery after losing three big ones


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:53 
I think he should deal here.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:53 
Derek calls his wife down to the pound table... Noel says he is delighted to see her at the pound table, and he wants her involved in the decision and not just to say play his own game!

The banker calls back and says if Derek declines this offer and doesn't discover the £75,000, he would roll out Old Faithful in the next round and offer £26,000!

Derek says

DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:53 
I hope for all our sakes he doesn't have £75k on the table.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:54 
Well at least we can't have an inflated offer if he doesn't find it!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:55 
Proveout round

11 - £3,000 Laura

16 - £75,000 :D George

12 - £500 Andy

Banker time with £250 and £5,000 remaining


Last edited by kestral on Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:58, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:55 
Banker would have offered

£1,026


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:56 
Noel opens box 18 and reveals £250

Box 22 Margaret contains the £5,000


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:56 
Thank God!!

Im soo happy he dealt!

£12,000 is a lot of money!

and YESS the £75k went aswell, absalute perfection!

Well done Derek, Enjoy every penny of £12,000! :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:56 
kestral wrote:
Proveout round

11 - £

16 - £75,000 :D George

12 - £500 Andy

Banker time with £250 and £5,000 remaining


It was Laura with £3,000!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:56 
Yay!

Well done for Derek :)


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:57 
Craig wrote:
kestral wrote:
Proveout round

11 - £

16 - £75,000 :D George

12 - £500 Andy

Banker time with £250 and £5,000 remaining


It was Laura with £3,000!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:57 
That's gotta be a first!

Wiping out £50,000 £100,000 and £250,000 in one round - then capping the game off with an unprecedented OPW!!!

Fantastic finish! :D

Derek was the first contestant I ever met in person, so I always told myself I would root for him when he played his game. I'm so glad he got such a bulky amount for what he did to his game so early!

Well done, Derek! :D


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 17:58 
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:00 
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Yes, only an OPW. We hate those, right?


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:05 
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Poor guy. He must be so gutted that he got a boring £12,000 win. I bet he's wishing right this very moment that he went on and won £250. OPWs, who needs them if you have courage?

In all seriousness, this game sounds like a great one. Well done, and enjoy the £12,000 Derek.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:08 
Lewis246 wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Poor guy. He must be so gutted that he got a boring £12,000 win. I bet he's wishing right this very moment that he went on and won £250. OPWs, who needs them if you have courage?

In all seriousness, this game sounds like a great one. Well done, and enjoy the £12,000 Derek.


It may have been good for him, but it felt samey for me, and potentially a lot of other viewers.

Endemol certainly care about the latter and so they should!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:09 
That is the sort of Deal I like. I could see it coming, but god, I'd have taken it right away, well done.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:11 
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Actually, I felt it was interestingly conveyed. The interaction, character of contestant and and overall result was good entertainment. It was definately worth viewing.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:12 
cookie_monster wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Actually, I felt it was interestingly conveyed. The interaction, character of contestant and and overall result was good entertainment. It was definately worth viewing.


That's your opinion! :)


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:13 
lathebault wrote:
cookie_monster wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Actually, I felt it was interestingly conveyed. The interaction, character of contestant and and overall result was good entertainment. It was definately worth viewing.


That's your opinion! :)


Well done for pointing that out.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:24 
Muinimula wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Yes, only an OPW. We hate those, right?


I suspect lathebault don't understand the major objective on Deal or No Deal in this country and all around the world. Which is to sell your box/case for the best possible amount. Where The Banker's objective (and as stated by Noel on 31st October 2005) is to buy the contestants box for as little money as possible. Simply he won on the last three days but Derek won today.

Reglardless if it's £12,000 or £120,000 he still beat the banker, made a profit on his box and has given an uplifting feel to the other contestants who are set to play in the next few days.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:28 
lathebault wrote:
It may have been good for him, but it felt samey for me, and potentially a lot of other viewers.


You mean the minority of viewers who want to see the player open their box and take a 20% shot to win £20,000 or more. Which totally disregards the DoND game objective for the contestant.

Thank goodness I'm not The Banker, otherwise I would offer swaps right to the end.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 18:43 
Well I knew it would be a good deal when I saw the game thread was only 3 pages long. :)


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 19:15 
James1978 wrote:
Well I knew it would be a good deal when I saw the game thread was only 3 pages long. :)


Usually if the page number is long it's either a debate, a game so good/bad that it brought in a lot of comments or it was a game where the player went to the end or dealt something late 5 figures/anything 6 figures.

That must be the shortest post from you in this section James!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 20:20 
James1978 wrote:
Well I knew it would be a good deal when I saw the game thread was only 3 pages long. :)


Quote of the month?


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 20:59 
Great show today. Derek was a great contestant - a lovely man and I'm pleased he had a good game. There was also some amusing stuff with Derek and the box 22 / Steve stuff, and Derek did provide quite a bit of tension when he no dealt the £8,000 at 8-box, as a lot of people (especially recently) would've dealt that.

Interesting that Noel wanted Derek's wife to get involved with the decision at 5-box, and also that the banker made a guarantee of an offer again. As others have said, at least this would've led to a genuine proveout offer had Derek not found £75k!

Well done to Derek... nice to see an outright player win after the past 3 games too!!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 21:31 
Another enjoyable game today. And a fantasticly convincing win against the banker. Well done Derek.

Although i thought the whole Steve thing was a tad harsh..i didnt even notice Derek saying 22 either...


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 22:13 
lathebault wrote:
Lewis246 wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Another rubbishy average game, didn't miss much by the looks of it.


Poor guy. He must be so gutted that he got a boring £12,000 win. I bet he's wishing right this very moment that he went on and won £250. OPWs, who needs them if you have courage?

In all seriousness, this game sounds like a great one. Well done, and enjoy the £12,000 Derek.


It may have been good for him, but it felt samey for me, and potentially a lot of other viewers.

Endemol certainly care about the latter and so they should!


How selfish can you get! It was Derek's show, and therefore all about what Derek wants to do, not about what you or "a lot of other viewers" would have wanted him to do. I understand it may have been better television had he gone on, but since when is the point of the game of Deal or No Deal supposed to be eschewing one's best interests in favor of being entertaining?


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 22:44 
Nice to see the banker lose a bit of momentum today, I was willing Derek to get some contestant balance back because the banker was seriously running away with this week

Very pleasant guy in a very pleasant game today

Enjoy your money, Derek, and thanks for giving us a memorable game


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 22:53 
alexseth wrote:
but since when is the point of the game of Deal or No Deal supposed to be eschewing one's best interests in favor of being entertaining?


Since the day it started. If the viewing public aren't entertained then the show will simply be withdrawn from the TV schedule due to poor viewing figures. If the players aren't happy with their winnings it won't stop the show unless they take Endemol to court for whatever reason and they obviously won't be successful but that's a different story altogether. So yes, it is hinged on what the viewers think ultimately. There will never be a shortage of contestants applying for the show whereas viewers will stop watching if they aren't satisfied (evidence of this on the forum? Maybe only a few members but this forum isn't representitive of all of the viewing public)


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 23:00 
lathebault wrote:
That must be the shortest post from you in this section James!


Probably becuase I didn't feel an undying urge to stick up for the dealer as i did in the last 3 games, becuase it turned out that it was the perfect decision! :0

Actually, consider this: the last 6 games have seen 3 perfect deals that wuld have been truly awful if they'd played to the end (Reg, Debbie and Derek) and 3 deals that were spectacualrly wrong (Paul, Kate, Justin). All perfectly balancing each other out that just goes to show either decision can be perfectly justified in this thing!


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 23:11 
Excellent game today, and a result no one (well, almost no one) can argue with - a great OPW. After that start, I was worried we were heading towards a trainwreck finish, but he recovered fantastically and won a nice amount of money, and the banter between the contestants was quite entertaining as well.

Well done, Derek!


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 00:53 
lathebault wrote:
alexseth wrote:
but since when is the point of the game of Deal or No Deal supposed to be eschewing one's best interests in favor of being entertaining?


Since the day it started. If the viewing public aren't entertained then the show will simply be withdrawn from the TV schedule due to poor viewing figures. If the players aren't happy with their winnings it won't stop the show unless they take Endemol to court for whatever reason and they obviously won't be successful but that's a different story altogether. So yes, it is hinged on what the viewers think ultimately. There will never be a shortage of contestants applying for the show whereas viewers will stop watching if they aren't satisfied (evidence of this on the forum? Maybe only a few members but this forum isn't representitive of all of the viewing public)


I guess not. The shows this week have been some of the highest rated of the recent series both in terms of numbers and share. "Missing the big money" shows are always big hits with viewers. People enjoy seeing how people react I suspect.

The figures have proved over the years that viewers like the show irrespective of the actual size of the win or the gambles. The 20 most popular shows include big wins, big losses, huge missed opportunities, good characters - you name it.

Everyone here just seems to assume that big gambles are the lifeblood of deal but there is actually no evidence for that at all in the figures. I think it's because the uk version is focused on people and banter to provide the lion's share of the entertainment so the actual game is less pivotal than you think.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 09:38 
lathebault wrote:
alexseth wrote:
but since when is the point of the game of Deal or No Deal supposed to be eschewing one's best interests in favor of being entertaining?


Since the day it started. If the viewing public aren't entertained then the show will simply be withdrawn from the TV schedule due to poor viewing figures. If the players aren't happy with their winnings it won't stop the show unless they take Endemol to court for whatever reason and they obviously won't be successful but that's a different story altogether. So yes, it is hinged on what the viewers think ultimately. There will never be a shortage of contestants applying for the show whereas viewers will stop watching if they aren't satisfied (evidence of this on the forum? Maybe only a few members but this forum isn't representitive of all of the viewing public)


I think generally the viewing public are entertained by the show as is shown frequently in the viewing figures, Deal or No Deal frequently tops the viewing figures for Channel 4 on a daily basis. Whether you are entertained by every show is another matter, and clearly you are not on a daily basis as your frequent posts indicate.

croftrock wrote:
I guess not. The shows this week have been some of the highest rated of the recent series both in terms of numbers and share. "Missing the big money" shows are always big hits with viewers. People enjoy seeing how people react I suspect.

The figures have proved over the years that viewers like the show irrespective of the actual size of the win or the gambles. The 20 most popular shows include big wins, big losses, huge missed opportunities, good characters - you name it.

Everyone here just seems to assume that big gambles are the lifeblood of deal but there is actually no evidence for that at all in the figures. I think it's because the uk version is focused on people and banter to provide the lion's share of the entertainment so the actual game is less pivotal than you think.


As I wrote above it's not everyone here that thinks the big gambles are the lifeblood of the show, the problem is you get a very vocal few who rant on every day that the deal was totally wrong and the show/contestants are pathetic!! This tends to really distort the general feeling on most show threads, as the vocal few rant away with their negative views about the deal, and focus totally on this rather than the "entertainment" aspect of the show which as you say is clearly what the producers and Noel aim to achieve in each show. These negative posts by their nature tend to stand out more as you read through the threads and even when a total player win is achieved as Derek did today, the threads can take on a negative slant as the vocal minority show their disinterest!


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:38 
I genuinely can't understand why people like lathebault watch the show, as they never seem to enjoy it. Big characters, OPWs, blue wins and so on don't entertain, it seems. The only thing which entertains them is a red win by playing to the end, or by dealing a huge offer on a blue vs £100k or £250k final two.

Even gamblers like basicasic, daniel123 and SrWilson all enjoy a good show where a good character's playing (e.g. Derek). In fact, basicasic stopped watching a while ago as he realised he was just posting negative stuff about the show so he wondered why he bothered watching, and stopped.

I think everyone's tired by lathebault moaning every single day. We all know what he's going to say when someone dares to utter the word "deal" and it gets so tedious. That's just my opinion (although judging by comments here, my opinion is shared by many others). Seriously lathebault - if you don't like it when someone deals, or deals and even gets an OPW - then why do you watch? And then why do you bother typing line after line saying how crap it is? Just don't watch.

You're perfectly entitled to state your opinion within reason - but I just don't get why you still watch if you don't like the show. In fact, the show you seem to enjoy will probably only happen once every week or two on average.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:19 
I liked Derek and am glad he got £12,000 out of what could of been a complete disaster.

Whilst it might not be massive money it was a great OPW and from the way the game went to get £12,000 out of it is a good result.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:37 
Well we haven't had a power 5 win for ages now so i can understand why lathebault is frustrated. Derek sounded like a charcater though and he got a very nice 12K out of the game so can't complain at that.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:40 
Great personality, an OPW, who could ask for anything more!


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 16:19 
I enjoyed the game, well played Derek, to come back from that horrendous round to an OPW was unexpected by me and no mean feat.

For what its worth Endemol won't give a damn about the opinions of the very small number of people who express views about individual games on this forum. Viewing figures will be all that counts to them.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 18:40 
kestral wrote:
lathebault wrote:
alexseth wrote:
but since when is the point of the game of Deal or No Deal supposed to be eschewing one's best interests in favor of being entertaining?


Since the day it started. If the viewing public aren't entertained then the show will simply be withdrawn from the TV schedule due to poor viewing figures. If the players aren't happy with their winnings it won't stop the show unless they take Endemol to court for whatever reason and they obviously won't be successful but that's a different story altogether. So yes, it is hinged on what the viewers think ultimately. There will never be a shortage of contestants applying for the show whereas viewers will stop watching if they aren't satisfied (evidence of this on the forum? Maybe only a few members but this forum isn't representitive of all of the viewing public)


I think generally the viewing public are entertained by the show as is shown frequently in the viewing figures, Deal or No Deal frequently tops the viewing figures for Channel 4 on a daily basis. Whether you are entertained by every show is another matter, and clearly you are not on a daily basis as your frequent posts indicate.

croftrock wrote:
I guess not. The shows this week have been some of the highest rated of the recent series both in terms of numbers and share. "Missing the big money" shows are always big hits with viewers. People enjoy seeing how people react I suspect.

The figures have proved over the years that viewers like the show irrespective of the actual size of the win or the gambles. The 20 most popular shows include big wins, big losses, huge missed opportunities, good characters - you name it.

Everyone here just seems to assume that big gambles are the lifeblood of deal but there is actually no evidence for that at all in the figures. I think it's because the uk version is focused on people and banter to provide the lion's share of the entertainment so the actual game is less pivotal than you think.


As I wrote above it's not everyone here that thinks the big gambles are the lifeblood of the show, the problem is you get a very vocal few who rant on every day that the deal was totally wrong and the show/contestants are pathetic!! This tends to really distort the general feeling on most show threads, as the vocal few rant away with their negative views about the deal, and focus totally on this rather than the "entertainment" aspect of the show which as you say is clearly what the producers and Noel aim to achieve in each show. These negative posts by their nature tend to stand out more as you read through the threads and even when a total player win is achieved as Derek did today, the threads can take on a negative slant as the vocal minority show their disinterest!


I've voiced my same opinion so many times but I don't think big gambles are the lifeblood of the show, variety is!!!! Say we have some scales, deals and gambles are the weights. For variety to be perfect the scales are balanced. At the moment the gambler weight is not present so the variety scales are totally tipped towards deals - hence we need gamblers to make the show more exciting at the current state of things! If we had loads of gambles it would be exciting but there would be no variety and therefore we would need deals to bring variety to the show. We are getting the former which proves my point about needing gamblers on the show...


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 18:43 
h2005 wrote:
I think everyone's tired by lathebault moaning every single day. We all know what he's going to say when someone dares to utter the word "deal" and it gets so tedious. That's just my opinion (although judging by comments here, my opinion is shared by many others). Seriously lathebault - if you don't like it when someone deals, or deals and even gets an OPW - then why do you watch? And then why do you bother typing line after line saying how crap it is? Just don't watch.


It's the current state of things that make me piss ed off with deals! We are getting so many of them that every deal just extends the chain when we could have so easily have had a power 5 box win or exciting gamble. If we had say a gamble a week then if the deal is reasonable then my posts would be much more positive... the run of deals and lack of no deals is getting to me

We haven't had a proper good gamble since Orry... that's one hell of a gap.


  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 20:35 
Very appropriate indeed that a former signalman dealt when he did and avoided a trainwreck...


  
 
 
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 22:03 
An OPW for a charming OAP!


  
 
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