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Cazzie

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:57 pm    Author: Cazzie    Post subject:
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Think what you could have done with that if you had a little more self-belief says Noel

Jon says he would have dealt for that offer...

Noel opens box 5 and reveals £250,000

There are gasps all around the studio and Noel chips in with "You blew it BIG time"
Box 7 contains the £5


Ugh - I was going to watch this when I got in but don't think I'll bother if Noel is going for the full on squander routine! :evil:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:58 pm    Author: redrum666    Post subject:
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Forget the proveout, a blatant advert for the gambling industry on behalf of M.N. No Deel Sod. That was excellent play from both sides in my book, the Banker making good strategic offers (in active play, anyway) and the player judging them well.

And he's won £19,999.99 more than Adam.



And he missed out on £230,000.01 more than Adam

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redrum666

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:59 pm    Author: redrum666    Post subject:
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Cazzie wrote:
kestral wrote:
Think what you could have done with that if you had a little more self-belief says Noel

Jon says he would have dealt for that offer...

Noel opens box 5 and reveals £250,000

There are gasps all around the studio and Noel chips in with "You blew it BIG time"
Box 7 contains the £5


Ugh - I was going to watch this when I got in but don't think I'll bother if Noel is going for the full on squander routine! :evil:


He wasn't as bad as he could've been to be honest. But what is he expected to say? Oh look, you only missed out on £230,000. That's not much is it!

He acted quite nicely compared to his March ways I have to say.

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KP

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:00 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Not quite true, Adam himself missed out on £19,999.99 so the difference is in fact (£230,000-£19,999.99) = £210,000.01.

Reactions like this from Noel make me long for another 60+ show run without the quarter-million on the table...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:00 pm    Author: Mark    Post subject:

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Yet, ONCE again, another player blew the chance at winning the £250,000. No wonder there is only one winner of the £250,000 instead of a few.


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redrum666

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:01 pm    Author: redrum666    Post subject:
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Not quite true, Adam himself missed out on £19,999.99 so the difference is in fact (£230,000-£19,999.99) = £210,000.01.

Reactions like this from Noel make me long for another 60+ show run without the quarter-million on the table...



Ah yes, I forget to subtract the two. I just subtracted £19,999.99 from the biggie.

But, even so, both lost out.

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KP

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:02 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Yet, ONCE again, another player blew the chance at winning the £250,000. No wonder there is only one winner of the £250,000 instead of a few.


Why is that? Because most people - and Noel isn't one of them, and evidently neither are you - recognise the significant value of five-figure sums of money.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:07 pm    Author: redrum666    Post subject:
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£20,000 is a lot of money. I'd be happy with £3,000 or more on that show, but at the same time, I do think that a lot of people do forget the opportunity in front of them, the problem being trying to weigh up the two opportunities. Jon's problem:

1) £20,000 is an opportunity

2) Going for bigger is an opportunity

It is all about deciding which opportunity means more and I think most people (me included) realise that the £20,000 is yours the moment it is offered until you decline it where as the £250,000 is dream. That is why, had I not dealt at £20,000 I would have dealt at £25,500 and, if not, definitely £75,500 (although i reckon it would've been closer to £60,000- even if Jon is a gambler)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:09 pm    Author: Aaron Brock    Post subject:

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The timer ticks...

It is 20 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes and 53 seconds since Deal or No Deal had a decent game

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I have a temptation to do a sig - "Let's point and laugh at the cautious guy" but then I thought that with a big gap, I understand.

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croftrock

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:18 pm    Author: croftrock    Post subject:

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KP wrote:
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Yet, ONCE again, another player blew the chance at winning the £250,000. No wonder there is only one winner of the £250,000 instead of a few.


Why is that? Because most people - and Noel isn't one of them, and evidently neither are you - recognise the significant value of five-figure sums of money.


I would have dealt the second £20,000 definitely but I don't understand what you expect Noel to do afterwards. The show doesn't rollover so they have to play it out for drama. What is he supposed to say? "Never mind; who cares? Let's hope people are still watching"? He has to do the 'you blew it' thing so it's dramatic. Once the boxea are all open they then do the "Who cares" bit. It's just theatre, it's not important.


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KP

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:23 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Of course it should be dramatic. But it most certainly shouldn't be judgemental - and for a long time it wasn't. It's possible to make it dramatic without it being a quite obvious criticism of the decision.

The only other acceptable alternative is exactly the same 'you blew it' approach to someone not Dealing when they should have. And we don't see Noel do that, do we?

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croftrock

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:25 pm    Author: croftrock    Post subject:

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KP wrote:
Of course it should be dramatic. But it most certainly shouldn't be judgemental - and for a long time it wasn't. It's possible to make it dramatic without it being a quite obvious criticism of the decision.

The only other acceptable alternative is exactly the same 'you blew it' approach to someone not Dealing when they should have. And we don't see Noel do that, do we?

No but I think that's because he doesn't see that as something he can make anything out of. I think the fact that it usually turns at the end shows it isn't judgemental; it's just padding.


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greeny

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:27 pm    Author: greeny    Post subject:

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Mark wrote:
Yet, ONCE again, another player blew the chance at winning the £250,000. No wonder there is only one winner of the £250,000 instead of a few.


As it happens, most of the £250,000 boxes have come to the table when the boards haven't been that strong, and would require a massive gamble to get the £250,000, and Laura only won the £250,000 because of a ridiculously low offer that was asking to be no dealt.


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alexandercbrown

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:51 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject:

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KP wrote:
Of course it should be dramatic. But it most certainly shouldn't be judgemental - and for a long time it wasn't. It's possible to make it dramatic without it being a quite obvious criticism of the decision.

The only other acceptable alternative is exactly the same 'you blew it' approach to someone not Dealing when they should have. And we don't see Noel do that, do we?


Noel gets too dramatcic though. and he overuses terms like squander and you blew it too much. I'm sure it is sure to strike a balance between the 2. He should say something like unfortunately there was a lot more in the game and you dealt too early but u do have 'x amount'

He was ok recently. For example in Dave's game. he said it was your lucky day, unfortunately u could have had 100k but u do hav 33.33K nd in sense u are a winner. That was reasonable but noel appears too biased sometimes.


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A casino supervisor who in the past sold up everything and moved to Spain with his partner was sure to be a gambler I thought. Dream on.

He could have been the chap to take the game by the scruff of the neck and massively boost the confidence of the rest of the players with an inspiring huge win, if not the £250,000, at least £75,000. And he blew it big style. A golden chance to win £250,000 squandered with yet another wussy deal ...... And for what! £20,000. As soon as he started speaking with the banker over the phone I knew the game was up. I bet the banker can't believe just how gullible some people are.

If somebody like that won't take a risk what chance have we got of ever getting another £250,000 winner. He deserved to have his nose rubbed in it and Noel should have been more scathing. Good job I'm not the host is all I can say.

And I notice we have a new Dr Doom. Rossano was extoling the virtues of dealing at the first £20k offer ...... Lord help us.

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Reminded me of kelsies game and the constant ringing back that to me woulda told me ITS IN THERE and go on shame Jon did not realise this.
I just knew it was gonna be in there after he dealt you just kinda could see it coming.
I still honestly think the banker knows half the time where the money is theres just so many coincidences.

Enjoy the 20k anyway........but you blew it BIG TIME lol.

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SrWilson

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:03 pm    Author: SrWilson    Post subject:
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Mark wrote:
Yet, ONCE again, another player blew the chance at winning the £250,000. No wonder there is only one winner of the £250,000 instead of a few.


And if Laura had not been offered such a patheticly low offer we would still have no 250,000 winner today and in some ways I wish it still was like that and hope one day someone did it right as in risked a REALISTIC huge offer.

Laura was a lovely lady but her victory is tainted by the blatentness of her piss poor offer to get her to go on. Had it not been her who managed to keep it till the end I feel whoever else managed to keep it to the end next would have got the pathetic offer to try get 250k win. Damn imagine if it had been Bunney :-D .

edit woops didnt spot your post there greeny.

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To be honest, the deal was more sensible than "wussy". If you took out the £250,000 in the next round (which with hindsight we know was impossible), you'd just be chasing £35,000 to the end, or settle for a much lower deal than £20,000.


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The third offer was an absolute cast-iron deal for me so I thought the fact that he even got past that was quite impressive...

Two things about that show were awesome: the fact that Jon played and therefore didn't overtake Sarah as the second longest-runner ever, and the fact that he's only the second player to have the £250k five times. The rest was a bit rubbish but as I say, I certainly can't fault his decision at all. And I thought the proveout offers were very realistic - the third and fourth offers were very generous, and the Banker would have been even more scared if Jon had turned down the second £20k, so it was entirely believable that he'd have gone up at the fifth offer.

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Aaron Brock wrote:
I have a temptation to do a sig - "Let's point and laugh at the cautious guy"


It would be the biggest signature in history. :roll:

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