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James1978

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:12 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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That just seemed like pure glory-hunting to me! At least it's still £10,000 though - I dread to think what she might have turned down on the Corinne finish......

There is a fine line between wanting to seize the opportunity and scare/impress the banker and being reckless/carried away and to quote Friends - she was so far past the line she couldn't even see the line. :)

If she can go home happy with £10k knowing she could have £140k though, who am I to criticise - I'd be in a state of shock for god know how long!

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:13 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Daniel who played in Battle of the Sexes also risked a potential £89,250 at FIVE box - he no-dealt £90k when £750 was still on the board!

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:38 pm    Author: StatsMan    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Will post my thoughts later but amazingly she's nowhere near the British gameshow record for the most money lost on a gamble (about £88k short if I recall - rather ironically)


Are you thinking of Duncan Bickley (sp.), who lost £218,000 on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? - another big loser who coincidentally appeared on Challenge earlier today in a repeat of Wipeout!

Although, we could say that the couple on Million Pound Drop lost £525,000, as they had the potential to win it being on the final question.

I too will come back later with my thoughts on today's game...

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:57 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Bickley and one other, Rob something.

And MPD doesn't count as you have to play every question, so it's not on a gamble.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:59 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Bickley and one other, Rob something.

And MPD doesn't count as you have to play every question, so it's not on a gamble.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:08 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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StatsMan wrote:
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Will post my thoughts later but amazingly she's nowhere near the British gameshow record for the most money lost on a gamble (about £88k short if I recall - rather ironically)


Are you thinking of Duncan Bickley (sp.), who lost £218,000 on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? - another big loser who coincidentally appeared on Challenge earlier today in a repeat of Wipeout!

Although, we could say that the couple on Million Pound Drop lost £525,000, as they had the potential to win it being on the final question.

I too will come back later with my thoughts on today's game...


Can't remember his name but it was a question about the name of an airplane of a female aviator (and he guessed wrong on after using a 50/50 lifeline).

Want to watch the episode in whole before I comment (I only saw from 5-box offer when I got home)

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:18 pm    Author: hogwild94    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Simon F wrote:
Can't remember his name but it was a question about the name of an airplane of a female aviator (and he guessed wrong on after using a 50/50 lifeline).


That was Duncan Bickley alright.

Another chap, Rob Mitchell, lost 218k on Millionaire in 2003, after using his Phone-a-Friend.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:31 pm    Author: beaker    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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If the £50k was there too then I could understand. But with £10k there, that's an incredibly foolish decision.
Sometimes I just wish players wouldn't focus so hard on the £250k. £140k was surely a HOUSE right there.

If there were more people like Kerry-Ann there'd have been a darn sight more than 3 £250k winners. She played the game well and just didn't quite do it but well done for trying


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:54 pm    Author: killersbee    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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If there were more people like Kerry-Ann there'd have been a darn sight more than 3 £250k winners.


QFT!

Goodness knows how Endemol would recover if they had lost so much money with several jackpot winners crowned!

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:55 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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To be honest, if she did go on to win the QM, everyone would be calling her brave and great, rather than stupid... hmm. :ponder:


Brave - yes.
Great - possibly.
Mad - absolutely.

I had a feeling that the trailer was bluffing a 2nd QM win so I wasn't too surprised at the £10k being in her box (I'd be fascinated if the official site posts an interview with her post-game as I would be fascinated to know her reasoning for that gamble at the end - at least Corinne's was justifiable because of the utility value of the £250k compared to £88k)

Just thankful that it was an uninfluenced set of decisions. The last 4 may have been ones I wouldn't have made and personally I think the last 2 were mathematically unjustifiable and I won't deny there was more than a bit of schadenfreude at the result but the fact that she could live with her decision and took it with good grace on camera is a good thing.

This was almost the antithesis of Laura and Alice's game. The last 2 offers seemed like they didn't want another QM winner today.

Although I would never no-deal an AMO with huge money in play, if she had no-dealt say £160k on a £50k/£250k - at least she would have had a bigger back-up if it went wrong and it wouldn't have seemed so crazy.

(The only other downside is that from Noel's intro, it seems Tolleck's place in the Hall of Fame has now been erroneously removed)

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:12 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Just thankful that it was an uninfluenced set of decisions.


After yesterday's game I genuinely thought that wasn't going to be the case. The sheer magnitude of the risks taken today were far beyond anything that could be expected even with much more forceful pressure than Noel exerts these days, so clearly this wasn't on Noel's conscience.

In fact, weirdly it's just what we needed. No chance of players being goaded on in the slipstream of Suzanne when they've seen a cautionary tale as unbelievable as this one.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:04 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Simon F wrote:
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To be honest, if she did go on to win the QM, everyone would be calling her brave and great, rather than stupid... hmm. :ponder:


Brave - yes.
Great - possibly.
Mad - absolutely.

I had a feeling that the trailer was bluffing a 2nd QM win so I wasn't too surprised at the £10k being in her box (I'd be fascinated if the official site posts an interview with her post-game as I would be fascinated to know her reasoning for that gamble at the end - at least Corinne's was justifiable because of the utility value of the £250k compared to £88k)

Just thankful that it was an uninfluenced set of decisions. The last 4 may have been ones I wouldn't have made and personally I think the last 2 were mathematically unjustifiable and I won't deny there was more than a bit of schadenfreude at the result but the fact that she could live with her decision and took it with good grace on camera is a good thing.

This was almost the antithesis of Laura and Alice's game. The last 2 offers seemed like they didn't want another QM winner today.




I suppose it was certainly the lack of novelty value (with a female player) that was the main criticism of the 140K no deal as it wasn't going to result in that memorable an outcome two weeks after a QM win if the QM had been won whereas a deal could have been the biggest victory over the banker ever. Not that I'm necessarily saying the deal was right or wrong - I only get annoyed at the player with sub Kathleen style deals. Would be interesting to hear Kerry-Anne's thoughts. Shame she didn't get it but that game was certainly hard to sum up.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:18 pm    Author: the wellser    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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I get a feeling from her that her and her partner were quite well off, so she could probably deal with the loss, it's just an impression I got.

People really need to stop going for it because of a dream someone had, of course you're going to dream of winning big money, it's probably all people think about when they're going on the show or are on it, so that would make people dream about it.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:36 pm    Author: Moxx of Balhoom    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Well that was certainly a game to remember. Kerry Anne & the Banker seemed very well matched and the offfers seemed to be genuinely pitched at getting her out of the chair sooner rather than later.

Personally i think the last three offers were all well worth dealing and certainly the loss of the £50k would have been enough for me to take that final offer but at the same time I can understand the temptation to go on. If you can live with the worst case scenario then go for it.
I know the stats won't back me up on this and maybe it comes down more to the personality of the players but I found Kerry-Anne's final no deal a lot less reckless than Dale's in principal at least.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 11:42 pm    Author: StatsMan    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Well... what to say about that really? :ponder:

I can't deny that game was exciting, probably more than it should've been, re-defining 'Wakeyism' to a whole new level, a utility graph effectively reduced to jackpot fame or nothing, to an extreme beyond most people's comprehension. A end gamble worse than casino odds at a value of a house where she lived in all honesty does not deserve to pay off in my opinion.

The decision defies all rationality of course, I can only think the 'prestige' (in her eyes) of becoming £250k winner seemed to be greater to her than any money, and that her fixation on this was not going to be swayed by the situation; by the looks of it, her husband was fully aware and supportive of this one-track approach. The 'carried away' comment afterwards suggests perhaps she wasn't prepared for her plan to work out so well, but felt in her mind committed to go to the end regardless. Money considerations were replaced with superstition and faith, if you believe in something enough, you'll convince yourself you can't fail to achieve it.

There's a verse in that stirring Kipling poem, If, that seems quite appropriate in the aftermath:

"If you can make one heap of all your winnings,
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;"

...and I feel the way Kerry-Anne reacted to the crash has to be commended, she was happy with the decisions she made, and if we take the 'breathe a word' loosely to mean dwell upon, she doesn't seem to be the kind of person to remain disappointed for long about it... and good luck to her I say for staying positive! :D

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:26 am    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Thanks to hogwild94 for the commentary today. :D

It was certainly an extraordinary game, although I knew it would be, due to the official leaks that had been posted by Endemol and the banker on Twitter and Facebook. I also guessed Kerry-Anne would leave the £250k to 2-box in live play, so the final stages of the game didn't have much tension for me.

Nonetheless, I wasn't expecting an above-the-mean offer on such a large scale, and I could never have predicted that she would turn it down! Mathematically and game-wise, it was a ridiculous decision; but as others have stated, it was obviously the right decision for her, and she and her husband took it well, which makes it difficult to criticise it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:21 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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I've just remembered the term defined in the DOND dictionary for a contestant like Kerry-Anne - "Confetti Hound"! I just dismissed it as humour when it was written because I didn't actually think we'd see one!

(I don't think Corinne was because she was after a specific amount of money that only the biggest sum on the board would fulfill - I don't think she particularly cared about the glory, confetti or HoF!)

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:36 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne
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Yes, Corinne was a blind targetist with a target an order of magnitude above the conventional one! If she had played Miljoenenjacht then she might have made a decision on a strong board that the gamblers would have whined about, in fact there's usually a couple of games a year (out of only ten) where she would go before me!!

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:46 pm    Author: cfd    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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Just watched it on More4.

That was mad!

The complete opposite of the desperate attempts of the past to create a £250k winner. The banker actually now playing the role of stopping the player winning.

£45,000 was an easy deal I think.

£100,000 was obviously a deal as it was the average (only off by a few k).

But to turn down £140,000? That's not brave or any of the other words you might use. It's stupid and reckless. Even Noel said "you're risking £130,000". I wish he'd finished that sentence with "to win £110,000". An absolutely insane gamble. You'd be better dealing and putting the money on a roulette table.

I'm not happy that she lost as such, and she didn't exactly deserve to either as it's 50/50. But it was mathematically a losing gamble so it seems fitting that she lost.

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 1:00 pm    Author: Neilmoon    Post subject: Re: 24/05 Kerry-Anne

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it was morris on a bigger scale he gambled £101 000 and ended up with £20 000
the glory of being the first quarter millionaire was more important then the money


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