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Moxx of Balhoom

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:33 pm    Author: Moxx of Balhoom    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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For the record, the £15k back up would have probably been enough for me to take a gamble at 8 box, but with that gone I would have definately gone at the next offer. In a one box game it's better to play the odds

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MisterAl

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:56 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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My opinion is that I don't think it's fair that anybody be denied the opportunity to win some nice money on the show purely because they've got a learning difficulty. However, it's clear that some people, like Rob, will need a certain amount of assistance to help them make the decisions. At no point did Rob's mother tell him what to do, but she did need to get involved at the 8-box point to help focus his thoughts. It's just a shame that she was quite emotional herself at the time, although that's completely understandable when she's seeing her son in such turmoil.

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CrazyChair

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:25 am    Author: CrazyChair    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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I only saw the last half hour of Rob's game. I did find the deal and proveout very uncomfortable viewing. I was pleased when he dealt at £8,000, as he didn't seem like the type of player who could handle their game crashing. It's just a shame the proveout didn't go in his favour.


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dougal18

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:58 am    Author: dougal18    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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I understand why he dealt (find the big one and he'll never see an offer of £8k again + his circumstances) but I had a combination of schadenfreude/uncomfortableness at the proveout.

Hopefully this is the nail in the "DOND is a game for all" coffin. Some people are mentally incapable of playing a high stakes game and Endemol should accept that. If they don't then more moments like today's will happen.

The standing ovation for blowing £242,000 was just patronising and offensive. It was treating a person with learning difficulties differently - which no one should do.

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paulyc

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:22 am    Author: paulyc    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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norwichdonder wrote:
MisterAl wrote:
There were the inevitable post-game discussions about whether Rob should have even been on the show.

I was thinking exactly the same. There is a fine line between someone in this situation who is emotional (eg Donna) and someone who is vulnerable and unquestionably the latter should not be on such a gameshow where raw emotions are part of the programme. It was uncanny that at the start of the show we had quite an ironic yet tongue in cheek intro from Noel about how the production team discuss each show in minutae. They must have been having an offday today.


I have to agree with you MisterAl. Speaking as someone who has been on the show, the stress you find yourself under playing the game can be very emotive, not to mention how you are going to come across to the outside world. I wasnt sure about posting this but Rob's collapse on national tv would do nothing to further the cause of people with learning difficulties. I know deal likes to be inclusive, but was there an element of patting themselves on the back by putting someone with Rob's problems on? This game is no respecter of persons and the fact that he would have ended up with 250k at the end just upped the ante of uncomfortable viewing to the maximum level. I don't like that people are being cruel about Rob as he seemed like a lovely bloke, but perhaps deal needs to look at themselves and think was it too much for the lad? Having said all that he got 8k out of it that he wouldnt have otherwise, but at what price?

On a different note, Noel pretty much take the game over at 8 box and played on with Rob's numbers when it looked like Rob wanted to just go home. I think he earned his money as the host. He certainly seemed to have a lot of respect for Rob which is nice to see, but I do hope that doesnt translate to him putting this game in the hall of fame! :smt009


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paulyc

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:26 am    Author: paulyc    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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richie4eva1 wrote:
travis P wrote:
KP wrote:
As someone else who has gone through my life with (what typically is referred to as) learning difficulties, I am more upset with this thread than that Deal. May even have taken it myself, with that volatility. I've seen £10-15k offered on £250k/peanuts games at five-box. I've seen such deals tolerated by most of the forum. And if £15k is a Deal on that five-box, £8k for Rob today was a deal too...


It seems someone who was banned on here has made himself known on Digital Spy. Since he has posted the same comments he posted on Facebook. :smt009


Got that person on my ignore list as of now and it's the same person who ruined the result for Suzanne's game unfortunately :(

There have been some right *bleep* on Facebook lately, should have seen Becks's game on Friday, the amount of racist abuse from one person made that thread very uncomfortable to sit through


I saw that too. I think people who post stuff like that should be banned outright if not tracked down and prosecuted. The comments were disgusting!!


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James1978

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 12:25 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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That's just one of the many reasons why I am really trying to avoid ever using Facebook........

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MisterAl

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:09 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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dougal18 wrote:
The standing ovation for blowing £242,000 was just patronising and offensive. It was treating a person with learning difficulties differently - which no one should do.

This couldn't be further from the truth. I was one of the people in that standing ovation, and my motivation was simply to show support for a person who was in considerable distress at the time. The fact that Rob had a learning difficulty had nothing to do with it. I'd have done the same for anybody going through that extreme level of distress, I'm sure.

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Simon F

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:13 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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Moxx of Balhoom wrote:
Count me as one who found that extremely uncomfortable to watch.

Rob was clearly very much loved by everyone on the wings and he's clearly not the type to bottle up his emotions.
It was an interesting game in some respects because while I wouldn't suggest the Banker went easy on Rob, he wasn't able to resort to minds games or bullying , and of course there was some novelty value in seeing a horrible prove out where Noel coulnd't goad the player with 'you've blown it' taunts

Rob's not the first player with learning difficulties to go on the show and i sincerely hope he isn't the last, the best thing about DOND is that it is open to people from all walks of life. As it was his game panned out badly and that made for very tough viewing though i find some irony in the fact that if he'd followed Noel's advice and started the proveout at the top of his list people would have been saying he got out just in time


He was always going to keep box 7 to the end though so would have had the £3k/£250k finish whichever way he picked the other 6 boxes.

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Simon F

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:16 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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MisterAl wrote:
dougal18 wrote:
The standing ovation for blowing £242,000 was just patronising and offensive. It was treating a person with learning difficulties differently - which no one should do.

This couldn't be further from the truth. I was one of the people in that standing ovation, and my motivation was simply to show support for a person who was in considerable distress at the time. The fact that Rob had a learning difficulty had nothing to do with it. I'd have done the same for anybody going through that extreme level of distress, I'm sure.


Totally agree. It's the same as people who question why pilgrims clap when big numbers go - mistaking clapping as encouragement for a player who has just suffered a setback in their game for clapping the large amount going.

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paulyc

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:00 pm    Author: paulyc    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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dougal18 wrote:
I understand why he dealt (find the big one and he'll never see an offer of £8k again + his circumstances) but I had a combination of schadenfreude/uncomfortableness at the proveout.

Hopefully this is the nail in the "DOND is a game for all" coffin. Some people are mentally incapable of playing a high stakes game and Endemol should accept that. If they don't then more moments like today's will happen.

The standing ovation for blowing £242,000 was just patronising and offensive. It was treating a person with learning difficulties differently - which no one should do.


These two paragraphs manage to completely contradict each other. In one hand you say deal shouldn't allow people who are "mentally incapable" on and then on the other you find it patronising that they get a stading ovation for "blowing 242,000" So which is it? :blueponder

I actually find myself, at least partly, agreeing with you on the first point as if playing that game was not too much for Rob not much more could have been, apart possibly if he had gone on and wiped the game out. As to the second point, in no way was it offensive to clap the man.


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paulyc

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:29 pm    Author: paulyc    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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Does anyone else remember Chris Evans doing a game on TFI were two kids were pitted against each other for loads of prizes for their families? It was a blinking game and the first to blink would lose. It didn't last too long as the kids who lost used to be totally distraught about it. For me, Rob's game was akin to that.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:49 pm    Author: norwichdonder    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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paulyc wrote:
Does anyone else remember Chris Evans doing a game on TFI were two kids .

I've seen games like that and kids just don't have the maturity to understand that outcomes are down to luck and gambling. Kids obviously shouldn't be gambling but they can still get luck.

Having watched the build up to the deal again, I don't think we can put Rob in the category of someone who doesn't understand gambling. As he carefully weighed up both outcomes; "I'm just wondering what I would regret more - knowing I've got the £250k in my box or the 50p". Mum says "I know what you would regret more - the 50p, yeh?". He then says "yeh".

It was his mum who said "I don't want you to gamble" "I feel thats good money for you" "It would take you years to earn that" "you've got to accept it wasn't your day" "8 thousand is a lot of money for you. yeh?".

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DanS

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:52 pm    Author: DanS    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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norwichdonder wrote:
"It would take you years to earn that"


Gotta say that this is a curious quote. One thing we did learn about Rob is that not only is he working two jobs, but he's working a lot of hours in both jobs too? Surely it wouldn't take him "years" to earn £8,000. On NMW he should get that in less than a year right? Or am I wrong?


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:00 pm    Author: norwichdonder    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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DanS wrote:
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"It would take you years to earn that"


Gotta say that this is a curious quote. One thing we did learn about Rob is that not only is he working two jobs, but he's working a lot of hours in both jobs too? Surely it wouldn't take him "years" to earn £8,000. On NMW he should get that in less than a year right? Or am I wrong?

My bad. She said "it would take you years to save 8 thousand" So many comments to push him to deal, I didn't hear any that encouraged him to consider the alternative that you are only there once.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:05 pm    Author: paulyc    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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norwichdonder wrote:
paulyc wrote:
Does anyone else remember Chris Evans doing a game on TFI were two kids .

I've seen games like that and kids just don't have the maturity to understand that outcomes are down to luck and gambling. Kids obviously shouldn't be gambling but they can still get luck.

Having watched the build up to the deal again, I don't think we can put Rob in the category of someone who doesn't understand gambling. As he carefully weighed up both outcomes; "I'm just wondering what I would regret more - knowing I've got the £250k in my box or the 50p". Mum says "I know what you would regret more - the 50p, yeh?". He then says "yeh".

It was his mum who said "I don't want you to gamble" "I feel thats good money for you" "It would take you years to earn that" "you've got to accept it wasn't your day" "8 thousand is a lot of money for you. yeh?".


I think you misunderstand why I posted this. I could tell that Rob understood the concept of gambling but what was different, as with the kids who lost in the TFI game, was that he actually could not cope very well if those decisions went against him and it was hard to watch kids' dreams being destroyed on tv as it was watching Rob's game.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:16 pm    Author: norwichdonder    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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paulyc wrote:
what was different, as with the kids who lost in the TFI game, was that he actually could not cope very well if those decisions went against him and it was hard to watch kids' dreams being destroyed on tv as it was watching Rob's game.

Ah. Well thats succintly put. Indeed well having decisions that go against us is just part of daily life and part of maturing from a child to a grown up. We all make bad decisions and have to move out. Im sure we've all cried - I do everytime I rip up a worthless lottery ticket. As many people have mentioned whether this was well researched and the type of personality to put on a gameshow with such risks/rewards is questionable. They must interview candidates and give them pyschological analysis so they know what they are doing.

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