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Skyline

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:13 pm    Author: Skyline    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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What a crybaby. Watching people crying on TV is really uncomfortable.

I know, I know... I do have the emotions of blu-tac, but hey.

EDIT: Nice work removing Mark's umpteenth obnoxious post. :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:14 pm    Author: cfd    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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I should point out I made my comments having only tuned in for the last 10 mins or so and hadn't read the beginning of the thread, so I was unaware of any learning difficulties, bullying, etc.

That said, I always find a train wreck on deal amusing and this was no different.


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travis P

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:20 pm    Author: travis P    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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As someone else who has gone through my life with (what typically is referred to as) learning difficulties, I am more upset with this thread than that Deal. May even have taken it myself, with that volatility. I've seen £10-15k offered on £250k/peanuts games at five-box. I've seen such deals tolerated by most of the forum. And if £15k is a Deal on that five-box, £8k for Rob today was a deal too...


It seems someone who was banned on here has made himself known on Digital Spy. Since he has posted the same comments he posted on Facebook. :smt009


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DanS

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:23 pm    Author: DanS    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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If he's an emotional person, then fair play to him. I personally liked the man and feel for his learning difficulties.

But I still found that incredibly uncomfortable to watch, with the whole dream factory in tears and everyone really just couldn't handle the defeat. Maybe it's a testament to how well liked Rob was, but it was still ridiculously uncomfortable, and I probably couldn't sit through it again.

Which is unfortunate, because I have a feeling Noel might be putting this one in the HOF on emotion alone. Isn't that the reason John (I think was his name) went in during one of the HOF shows...because of "emotion"?


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:28 pm    Author: richie4eva1    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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travis P wrote:
KP wrote:
As someone else who has gone through my life with (what typically is referred to as) learning difficulties, I am more upset with this thread than that Deal. May even have taken it myself, with that volatility. I've seen £10-15k offered on £250k/peanuts games at five-box. I've seen such deals tolerated by most of the forum. And if £15k is a Deal on that five-box, £8k for Rob today was a deal too...


It seems someone who was banned on here has made himself known on Digital Spy. Since he has posted the same comments he posted on Facebook. :smt009


Got that person on my ignore list as of now and it's the same person who ruined the result for Suzanne's game unfortunately :(

There have been some right *bleep* on Facebook lately, should have seen Becks's game on Friday, the amount of racist abuse from one person made that thread very uncomfortable to sit through

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:32 pm    Author: romanticism    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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DanS wrote:
If he's an emotional person, then fair play to him. I personally liked the man and feel for his learning difficulties.

But I still found that incredibly uncomfortable to watch, with the whole dream factory in tears and everyone really just couldn't handle the defeat. Maybe it's a testament to how well liked Rob was, but it was still ridiculously uncomfortable, and I probably couldn't sit through it again.

Which is unfortunate, because I have a feeling Noel might be putting this one in the HOF on emotion alone. Isn't that the reason John (I think was his name) went in during one of the HOF shows...because of "emotion"?


I agree with you there - I had to leave the room at the end, it was incredibly painful viewing and I definitely would not want to watch again.


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:32 pm    Author: hogwild94    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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Good to see someone else with learning difficulties on the show! :D

Shame about that outcome though. Technically, not the biggest player loss of all time, since he did sell a 3k for 8k, but Noel and others will twist it in their usual style.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:05 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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I've been lucky enough to sit in the studio audience for well over 100 games, which means I've seen my fair share of heartbreaking games and tears being shed. But I can say that watching Rob in such distress was unquestionably the most uncomfortable I've ever felt whilst sitting there, or indeed am ever likely to feel (I sincerely hope). There were the inevitable post-game discussions about whether Rob should have even been on the show, but of course nobody can predict how the boxes are going to behave, or indeed how the player is going to react.

Of course, the post-deal events took a little longer to play out in reality than the edited version we saw today, and with every box that was opened Rob became more and more distressed. I remember sitting there thinking, 'Look, can't we just stop this?! Give him a few minutes to gain some composure, at least!', but maybe it was best that they got it over and done with. The standing ovation from the audience was an entirely natural reaction from pretty much everybody there; it was the only reasonable way that people could show their support.

I knew that people would be making nasty comments about the way that Rob handled himself when his game got broadcast. Shame on them is all I can say about that. Let's hope for a more positive game tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:33 pm    Author: norwichdonder    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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There were the inevitable post-game discussions about whether Rob should have even been on the show.

I was thinking exactly the same. There is a fine line between someone in this situation who is emotional (eg Donna) and someone who is vulnerable and unquestionably the latter should not be on such a gameshow where raw emotions are part of the programme. It was uncanny that at the start of the show we had quite an ironic yet tongue in cheek intro from Noel about how the production team discuss each show in minutae. They must have been having an offday today.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:44 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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Why did the hypothetical swap have to come out? It guaranteed a feel-bad ending (either confirming the £250k had been sold for a record low amount, or - as happened - giving the illusion of one). At least playing it out sans swap provided a 50% chance of some sort of comfort (which would of course have come up).

Maybe Endemol are the real gamblers with this show. What could (should?) be a cosy daytime game show that happens to be played for a primetime prize fund... has instead become full of Endemol pushing the envelope almost as dramatically as - albeit more subtly than - they have managed on Big Brother and the like. Some of those have been unequivocally positive - no game show in this country has ever had such a cross-section of society as contestants. Some of it has not.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 8:52 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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Didn't strike me as a horrendous deal but I did not like all the emotion in that game.


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:19 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we are going to have hypo-swaps, then we absolutely have to have hypothetical questions for the 2-box offer. I'm in no doubt that Rob would have taken £75k at 2-box today.

Tolleck's record still stands at £9k and I just hope that Noel will remember that (although I'm fearful that in Noel's eyes, Rob is now the record holder).

Was the deal right for the board? Probably not
Was the deal right for the player? Definitely yes and that's what matters today.

It's games like this that make me think everyone who posts on DOND should have to sit through an unedited recording of certain games before they start criticising players. The dream factory can be very emotional at times (especially when players have difficulty in deciding whether to takes offers)

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:20 pm    Author: beaker    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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You knew he had Learning Difficulties when he was in the wings, it wouldn't have surprised me if he had dealt much earlier in the game. I think the producers need to take a long hard look at themselves for allowing Rob to be in that position as it made very uncomfortable viewing.

The same applies to individuals who have made unecessary comments. He listened to his Mum who has looked after him all her life, not really a lot wrong with that.

I'd have gone on, as I'm sure many more would have done but Rob chose to deal and from then on it was painful TV.

I hope he has got over it now.......


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:57 pm    Author: sonicrules    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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I've never seen a game like this, my goodness he took that badly. Not sure it made good tv it was hard to watch and when the quarter of a million came to the table my wife left the room!!


I've been watching it since Feb 06, I remember Kelcie's game (funny spelling), she cried like a baby about how she'd let her kids down and felt horrible, I KNEW his mum coming down would wreck it for him, very few would have dealt there, Banker knew he could get him with a lowish offer, I think he knew his mum would help sway Rob the way she did, have no sympathy for her at all, she should have stayed up there where she belonged, it's not her game, he could have still have 15k at the end even if quarter mil had gone.

sometimes I want to teleport into the studio and just tell family to not sway people like that, she didnt even say "it's your game, do as u please", it was "it's such a lot of money, take u ages to save, she virtually said "please deal for me", made me angry to see how it turned out, he could have been forgiven for dealing at the last 14k offer, but not when he did, I think he would have gone on too!

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:01 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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Stat of the day that nobody's picked up on yet: the eight-box offer was above the FD (£7,810.17 at that point).

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:10 pm    Author: sonicrules    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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I thught the 14.5 offer was OK for the board, wouldn't have blamed him for dealing there, course he should have been on the show, a very likeable man who's done so well for himself with his problems, inspirational, shame on some of the posters here!!! It was very uncomfortable viewing, but u know the risks when u tune in and he's got learning difficulties, e.g. everyone's gonna totally adore him and it's gonna be emotional if it goes wrong, more so than most games, I just wish him mum had put her arm round him and said do as u please, I'm always here for u, instead of leading him on, he got to the point where he felt like he couldn't say no and he looked so vulnerable then, I really felt for him!

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:55 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob
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KP wrote:
Stat of the day that nobody's picked up on yet: the eight-box offer was above the FD (£7,810.17 at that point).


Would be interesting to see where Deal eye would have gone today.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:59 pm    Author: StatsMan    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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Simon F wrote:
...It's games like this that make me think everyone who posts on DOND should have to sit through an unedited recording of certain games before they start criticising players. The dream factory can be very emotional at times (especially when players have difficulty in deciding whether to takes offers)


Oh absolutely, the edited show only provides a small perspective in certain games of the feelings and emotions experienced in the studio, which are inevitably heightened in such a captive environment.

Today's game was uncomfortable to watch for a lot of people who are not completely heartless. Of course, it posed a lot of questions around whether Rob was indeed a suitable candidate for a show where you might have to cope with abject disappoint, high emotion and high-pressure decision making. His character and circumstances are not the issue here (at least they shouldn't be), I found him to be entertaining and likeable, but in terms of the nature of this show, it's a fine line that Endemol are treading here in the selection process...

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:18 pm    Author: Moxx of Balhoom    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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Count me as one who found that extremely uncomfortable to watch.

Rob was clearly very much loved by everyone on the wings and he's clearly not the type to bottle up his emotions.
It was an interesting game in some respects because while I wouldn't suggest the Banker went easy on Rob, he wasn't able to resort to minds games or bullying , and of course there was some novelty value in seeing a horrible prove out where Noel coulnd't goad the player with 'you've blown it' taunts

Rob's not the first player with learning difficulties to go on the show and i sincerely hope he isn't the last, the best thing about DOND is that it is open to people from all walks of life. As it was his game panned out badly and that made for very tough viewing though i find some irony in the fact that if he'd followed Noel's advice and started the proveout at the top of his list people would have been saying he got out just in time

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:30 pm    Author: the wellser    Post subject: Re: 23/05 Rob

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People who have said that he was a wimp for going at £8,000, are simply wrong, the odds of him taking out the QM were very high and had that of happened he'd have to gone to the end to even get an offer of over a thousand, with that board it was a real gamble to go on.

It would have been nice to see someone so kind hearted as Rob to win a big amount though. But I'm sure his overall experience will have been a good one and he'll be able to do some nice things £8,000.


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