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Are the low proveout offers a good thing?
Not at all - the lower the better 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
Not really - but they shouldn't go too low 40%  40%  [ 4 ]
Yes - I think they should be slightly higher 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
Yes - proveouts should be huge 10%  10%  [ 1 ]
I'm not sure/I don't really care 20%  20%  [ 2 ]
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little_monster

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:08 pm    Author: little_monster    Post subject: Low Proveout Offers

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I'm sure you have noticed that recently the proveout offers have been way under the average of the board, a complete contrast of how things were earlier this year.

Is this a good thing? I think it's boring and a real low. Discuss.


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daniel4389

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:15 pm    Author: daniel4389    Post subject:

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Hmm I like them low really. If the player has obviously done a bad deal and the offer would definitely go up then that doesn't bother me...it's part of the game. But if it's kind of ambiguous and he could have gone up or down then I'd far rather he went down to keep up the chances of an OPW. (Unless I hate the player, in which case they should be as high as possible...)

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Power5

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:23 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject:
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It should be as realistic as possible. The Banker should be making the offer that would have been made had the contestant no-dealed to that point.

Rita was seen as a cautious player, so got proveout offers that reflect that fact. Though had she no-dealt the earlier offers then perhaps the Banker would have revised his opinion, so maybe the offers would have been a little higher. But you wouldn't have to be Khanny or Lynne to get down to the final two on that game.

They certainly play the bad proveout according to the character in the chair anyway - had it been a young male contestant, I'm sure Noel would have really rubbed it in, as would the Banker with his proveout offers - even more so given the current climate of caution! Whether that's a good thing or not, I'm not convinced... :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:30 pm    Author: basicasic    Post subject:
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I think they are a better reflection of the player in the chair these days.

And as much as I like to see an early dealer's nose rubbed in it I think it is fairer and better this way.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:31 pm    Author: cookie_monster    Post subject:
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Power5 wrote:
It should be as realistic as possible. The Banker should be making the offer that would have been made had the contestant no-dealed to that point.


Ill agree with the statement that power 5 has made. The banker is told to offer fairly (which he doesnt)

and Contestants are asked to play on how they wouldhave done.

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Lewis246

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:42 pm    Author: Lewis246    Post subject:

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The proveout offers shouldn't be lower, or higher. They should be what they actually would have been in active play.


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Tom

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:51 pm    Author: Tom    Post subject:

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Lewis246 wrote:
The proveout offers shouldn't be lower, or higher. They should be what they actually would have been in active play.


Yep, definitely agree with that.


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tr4962

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:04 pm    Author: tr4962    Post subject:

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i think todays proveout offers were very realistic


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:28 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Add one for the 'proveout offers should be authentic whatever that may be'. Inflated offers to encourage Wakeyism are a bad thing, and I'm glad they've gone (because they were always there, even in the early days when the show was at its least Wakey-friendly period of all time barring maybe last month, and they really annoyed me); deflated offers to force feel-good endings are just silly.

Of course, in situations of ambiguity (which I'm defining as 'where a stick wouldn't look stupid') that's extremely tetchy...

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alexandercbrown

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:30 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject:

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The proveout offers have been spot on lately except for Jeff which were questionable. It's worst when a player deals early for a substantial sum of money so they put the proveout offers up far higher than they would have gone to make it seem more dramatic than it actually should be and to try and rub the contestants nose in it. i wish they could have been honest because it wouldn't have been an OPW in many cases anyway!

hypothetical sticks have actually been used a lot lately.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:41 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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I'd rather have these lower proveout offers than the higher ones - but as has been said in this thread, I'd like to see authentic ones! I think Rita's £45,000 was fairly accurate as she probably would have been fairly cautious.


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James1978

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:42 am    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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Definitely prefer it this way - I believed every one of Rita's proveout offers, and it made much easier viewing that if he'd said, say £30k at 5-box and £100k at the last pair....as long as they're consistent with the relative generosities for previous offers it's fine - for instance if Graeme had dealt the £41k, which was HUGE for the board he had, I'd have believed the £101k despite the huge difference with Laura's £45k, because they're on a par with each other relative to the board at that stage!

Its if he suddenly goes from being stingy to being incredily generous in the proveout when it really gets me going, such as in Helen from April 06's game when he went up by £5k despite her taking out the quarter-mill in the next round!

I'm not convinced that he would have gone up by a quid for Jamie though! :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:49 am    Author: CrazyChair    Post subject:

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James1978 wrote:
I'm not convinced that he would have gone up by a quid for Jamie though! :)


Technically, Jamie did win £10,000. Eric gave him £1. I'm not too bothered about proveout, unless I really like or dislike the player. I prefer it to be just as it was when they were playing. If someone has dealt at the third offer, I tend to lose interest in the game, so I don't pay much attention to proveout.


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James1978

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:28 am    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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The other thing I absolutely detest is when two similar boards crop up in a short space of time, and the proveout offer is a world more generous than the in-play one. For instance, 1p Trevor's £9,900 on £250k and 4 blues, and Lisa's proveout £44k on the same board 4 games later - that is just so unfair it's untrue!

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I think it also makes for more pleasant viewing when the proveout offers are lower and therefore more realistic. There was a time in early spring when you could almost guarantee that the proveout offers would be 90% of the mean or more, or in some cases, even more than the mean, meaning the player's game tactics were not being taken into account at all, as even cautious players were getting huge proveout offers. :?

Rita's proveout offers were very realistic as she was a cautious player, but had she turned down that £15,000, I suppose the last offer could've been a bit higher than £45k as the banker could've seen a new 'brave' side to Rita.

Steven's proveout offers of £55k and £66k were very interesting (one of them was 107% of the mean if I remember correctly!) as he had always said he'd play on if he had 3 or more of the power 5 remaining, which could explain why he would've made such high offers, but at the same time you could also say that the banker wouldn't have needed to make high offers if Steven was going to gamble anyway!


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alexandercbrown

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:15 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject:

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I think today's game demonstrates that jeff's 52k proveout offer was rubbish and Joe is maybe more of a gambler than Jeff!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:19 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject:
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Lewis246 wrote:
The proveout offers shouldn't be lower, or higher. They should be what they actually would have been in active play.


ITA.

theres no doubt that if Jeff had gone on past £30k, the offers would have been £21,000 and £32,000, not £41,000 and £52,000

and rita would have probably got £7.5k again at 5-box, and at 2-box, well, come to think of it knowing the strategic banker thesedays £75,000

Rita 1: £15,444 £25,444 £25,444 most likely

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:52 pm    Author: rico7    Post subject:
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This may sound boring but I'd like to see proveout offers that the banker
really would have offered in open play.


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