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Would you like to see swaps being offered as the final cash offer in future shows?
Poll ended at Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:12 pm
Yes 23%  23%  [ 9 ]
No 76%  76%  [ 29 ]
Total votes : 38
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travis P

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:12 pm    Author: travis P    Post subject: Banker Offering Swaps at the Final Offer

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Interesting comments today regarding the so called sick idea of offering a swap at the final offer (instead of cash).

However, when I saw it being offered. I knew it was coming. It was all down to the show of "when" to offer it instead of "if". It's a fact that the French, Italian & Spanish versions have been offering swaps as the final offer all the time, for many years. In addition, Brig Bother of Bother's Bar did warn the fans of UK DoND as well. I'm surprised it has shocked nearly everybody.

Proof of the pudding.
French DoND Episode Snapshot

Bother's Bar French DoND review

Bother's Bar Italian DoND review

No doubt what happened today has shocked many members on here and across the country. However, UK DoND is meant to be based on A Prendre ou a Laisser (French DoND). Where they do swaps about the same numbers of times they offer cash.

It's also a fact when they originally auditioned contestants for the start of DoND. The researchers showed a tape of the French DoND (with English subtitles), which no doubt had the swaps being used. Shame they don't use that tape for future auditons.
Which begs the question. Would you like to see swaps being offered as the final cash offer in future shows?


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daniel4389

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:13 pm    Author: daniel4389    Post subject:

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Nope. If I wanted it to be like the French show I would move to France.

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h2005

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:15 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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No. If it had been done since the early days of the show, then maybe we'd find it more acceptable - but the fact that they've introduced it after 500 shows makes it even worse.


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Lewis246

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:15 pm    Author: Lewis246    Post subject:

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Only if it's between two blues, not like today. It almost feels like the banker's cheating them out of their money.


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h2005

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:20 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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It'd be interesting actually to see what the banker would do on a Power 5 vs Power 5 final two - for example £75,000 and £250,000 - would people find it more acceptable if there was no monetary offer at that two-box stage? Maybe it would make it better for the player as they wouldn't have to agonise over whether they should accept the offer or not?

If they have to do non-monetary offers, then I think they should be reserved for Power 5 final twos only - anything else is just harsh! Unless it's offered on a consecutive final two - e.g. £10,000 and £15,000 - but otherwise it should be reserved for Power 5 final twos only to ensure the player goes away with a good amount of money - unlike what happened today where PJ could've gone home with 1p had it not been for the banker stepping in with the LTL offer at the last minute!


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travis P

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:25 pm    Author: travis P    Post subject:

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One thing is for certain. Unlike what happened after PJ won 1p (with the LTL). The Europeans never offer a consolation cash prize (apart from a €25 board game). If a contestant leaves with a low amount via a final swap, then they leave with a low amount, end of story.

Also the other countries (apart from France, as they offer 24 cash amounts since September 2006) offer booby prizes aswell. If they win a booby prize, they leave with a booby prize. No cash is offered as a consolation.


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jmas07

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:47 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject:
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On extreme finishes like today, no. On power 5 finishes or blue finishes, yes.

Even £20,000 / power 5 finish really.


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KP

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:54 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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I don't think it should happen again - and judging by the way they tried to evade the consequences of it today, I'm pretty sure it won't.

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greeny

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:57 pm    Author: greeny    Post subject:

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It's also happened in the US version, where it paid off as she had $50,000 in her case. I don't like it in our version though.


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Tom

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:02 pm    Author: Tom    Post subject:

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Nope. No matter what circumstances.


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Zeddie

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:04 pm    Author: Zeddie    Post subject:

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I voted yes, only because I'm half-half.

Basically, it fitted in with today's show. However, the game is called Deal or No Deal, not Swap or No Swap, so it should NOT become a regular thing. Only a tease on the player's mind, like today. It made today's game really exciting!

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dond_rules

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:16 pm    Author: dond_rules    Post subject:
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The show is called Deal Or No Deal NOT Swap or no Swap so No!


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travis P

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:16 pm    Author: travis P    Post subject:

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Something else to consider about...

If they decided to adapt the swap at the end earlier in the shows run. Then I suspect it would give the viewer the opnion that Endemol are desperate to give away the £250K and £100K prizes as it gives that manditory 50/50 chance.

If they adapted the 6th offer as a swap since day one, would we see Laura Pearce become the first £250K winner? Would we had to wait over 14 months to see the first top prize winner? Thinking about it even more and provided the person decided not to swap. Germaine would've become the first person to win £250K.

The French have had five people winning the top prize since the show began in January 2004.


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James1978

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:09 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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I definiteyl wouldn't like to see it done long term, but I suppose it wouldn't even have been in question had he not swapped early on, or if he'd opened 19 straight after swapping. Other games weren't a million miles away from that (Fadil, Sharron, Simone) - given insulting offers to force them to gamble, but this was done in the extreme.

On a last pair like Lance's or Doug's I could accept it where nothing really bad could happen, but not in these circumstances!

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GeordieGerry

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:13 pm    Author: GeordieGerry    Post subject:
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We had all the pain and then a pathetic happy ending

£75K or 1p

The pain was real for the contestant and the folks on the wings

What makes it totally unacceptable is the fact that the UK players live together and care about each other

They were hurting 22 people tonight for a stunt and they knew it

It was garbage


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dond_rules

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:16 pm    Author: dond_rules    Post subject:
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As everyone knows Noel brags on about its real money etc it wasn't like this guy was rude or getting high offers the banker could just of offered a offer like 15k or swap so he had the choice what he wanted to do. Personally 15k would of been to low he deserved around his trump offer of 26k i bet PJ thought what a waste of time. I know how upset i would be if i got in a position of potentially winning thousands only for the banker's ego to ruin the whole show. Despite him getting 15k in the end he deserved more and i believe he would of dealt.


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CrazyChair

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:09 am    Author: CrazyChair    Post subject:

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I voted no. I don't like the idea of there being more than one swap offered in a game either.


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KP

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:30 am    Author: KP    Post subject:
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greeny wrote:
It's also happened in the US version, where it paid off as she had $50,000 in her case. I don't like it in our version though.


Actually, she did get a $23k final offer.

Putting it at the end totally and utterly changes the decisions late in the game, and I don't consider that fair or sensible. A big NO from me.

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:58 am    Author: SrWilson    Post subject:
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Only if the 1p is in the final two :lol: .

Otherwise no!

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Rhyd

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:03 pm    Author: Rhyd    Post subject:

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No!

I don't mind there being a swap at the end.. as long as there's a money offer too!

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