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h2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:00 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject: Daily Mail article - One-in-1,000 chance to win DOND jackpot
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This article appeared in the Daily Mail today...

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One-in-1,000 chance to win Noel's Deal Or No Deal jackpot

By PAUL REVOIR

26th April 2007

Contestants on TV's Deal Or No Deal have only a one-in-a-thousand chance of scooping the £250,000 top prize, it has been revealed.

Statisticians who worked out the best strategy for maximising winnings on the Channel Four gameshow say those taking part should accept the first offer of more than £20,000 from the programme's banker.

If they never receive an offer that high, they should continue to the end of the game and try their luck, the team from London's City University concluded.

The research lifts the lid on the enormous odds facing contestants on the show, which has enjoyed phenomenal success under host Noel Edmonds.

In Deal Or No Deal, there are 22 boxes containing sums ranging from 1p to £250,000. Contestants eliminate each in turn, while the invisible banker tempts them with offers for their own box over the phone.

Since the show's launch two years ago, only one contestant - 24-year-old Laura Pearce - has held her nerve to win the jackpot, while the average prize has been just £15,360, the researchers found.

This is considerably less than the mean sum across all the boxes - £25,712.

Professor Linda Wolstenholme, of City University's Cass Business School, said most contestants end up taking home less than the average because they are not professional gamblers.

Some have already sat through 20 shows and become conservative about losing large sums of money. Others gain a false sense of confidence under the studio lights.

The professor said contestants should aim for an offer close to the average amount, then cash in. Otherwise, they might as well try their luck.

She added: "The startling success of the Deal Or No Deal format, which is now played in nearly 50 countries, is surprising given that it is so unlikely that a contestant will win significant amounts of money.

"The game is completely down to luck, with how well any contestant will do dependant on their attitude to risk."


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jeannie

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:00 pm    Author: jeannie    Post subject:

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Ah but, I bet they don't know the statistics for my investing £2,000 of my win on premium bonds and then winning a MILLION!!! :notworthy: Hee Hee keep your fingers crossed won't you.

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h2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:01 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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I forgot to reference that article properly! :shock: My university lecturers would be most displeased. So...

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1773

It's worth taking a look at the page for the comments left by people...


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Richie Rich

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:28 pm    Author: Richie Rich    Post subject:
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surely the chances are 1 in 22 ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:29 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject:
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Richie Rich wrote:
surely the chances are 1 in 22 ?


Well, if nobody ever dealt they would be. But it would be pretty boring if that was the case, despite the fact that a few people here seem to want to see it!

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Aaron Brock

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:16 pm    Author: Aaron Brock    Post subject:

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I think it should be 1 in 28, 22 amounts along with the offers, but the offers vary.

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jmas07

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:17 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject: Re: Daily Mail article - One-in-1,000 chance to win DOND jac
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h2005 wrote:
This article appeared in the Daily Mail today...

Daily Mail wrote:
One-in-1,000 chance to win Noel's Deal Or No Deal jackpot

By PAUL REVOIR

26th April 2007

Contestants on TV's Deal Or No Deal have only a one-in-a-thousand chance of scooping the £250,000 top prize, it has been revealed.

Statisticians who worked out the best strategy for maximising winnings on the Channel Four gameshow say those taking part should accept the first offer of more than £20,000 from the programme's banker.

If they never receive an offer that high, they should continue to the end of the game and try their luck, the team from London's City University concluded.

The research lifts the lid on the enormous odds facing contestants on the show, which has enjoyed phenomenal success under host Noel Edmonds.

In Deal Or No Deal, there are 22 boxes containing sums ranging from 1p to £250,000. Contestants eliminate each in turn, while the invisible banker tempts them with offers for their own box over the phone.

Since the show's launch two years ago, only one contestant - 24-year-old Laura Pearce - has held her nerve to win the jackpot, while the average prize has been just £15,360, the researchers found.

This is considerably less than the mean sum across all the boxes - £25,712.

Professor Linda Wolstenholme, of City University's Cass Business School, said most contestants end up taking home less than the average because they are not professional gamblers.

Some have already sat through 20 shows and become conservative about losing large sums of money. Others gain a false sense of confidence under the studio lights.

The professor said contestants should aim for an offer close to the average amount, then cash in. Otherwise, they might as well try their luck.


She added: "The startling success of the Deal Or No Deal format, which is now played in nearly 50 countries, is surprising given that it is so unlikely that a contestant will win significant amounts of money.

"The game is completely down to luck, with how well any contestant will do dependant on their attitude to risk."


At last, the professionals are pointing out the benefits of gambling on Deal or No Deal. I salute you.


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Mental Mickey

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:47 pm    Author: Mental Mickey    Post subject:
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They should have come to me, I could have told them all of that without the need for a applying for £1million research grant and doing a proper study of the odds. Talk about stating the bleeding obvious! :lol:

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KP

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:21 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Love it, jmas07... you bolded a bit implying it can be right to Deal.

Seriously, the 1-in-1000 figure is silly in basis, as such a benchmark figure by definition somewhat ignores the variability between players and their utility functions. However, the suggestion of targeting £20,000 isn't a bad one, although it absolutely shouldn't be taken completely at face value because sometimes offers below £20k just have to be taken (like today's first hypothetical lie), and sometimes offers above £20k are really too low for the board (Gaz's eight-box offer).

Incidentally, that £15,360 mean win has to predate the Laura win... oops!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:23 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject:
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KP, I assume you mean this:

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most contestants end up taking home less than the average because they are not professional gamblers.


I thought they meant people were bailing out, and it's the proffesional gamblers who will go to the end and get more than the average.

I assume you mean it's the non-proffesional gamblers who carry on to the end and sometimes take peanuts... I wasn't bolding the quote for this.


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little_monster

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:11 pm    Author: little_monster    Post subject:

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No, it's not 1 in a 1000.

No, you shouldn't always deal at £20k and go to the end if you don't get £20k.

No, the avergage is higher than that.

No, please write better articles :)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:24 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Sorry I wasn't specific. I was referring to the 'wait for a £20k offer *then cash in*' bit. Implying it's right to deal sometimes.

As for the professional gambler comment, it's true. It's why the mean win is some way short of £25,712.12. Flip it round, it's also why the blue win percentage is nearer 15% than 50%.

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Pammybun

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:03 pm    Author: Pammybun    Post subject:

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That is really interesting.

Peg and I discussed things at great length and decided that, following the experiences of games we had watched and from our time in the wings, any offer over £20,000 should be taken - regardless of what point in the game it is offered.

Offers of about £15k should be seriously considered with the average board at 11 box stage and again, with an average board at 5 box stage then £10k should be carefully thought about :D

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:07 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject:
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Pammybun wrote:
That is really interesting.

Peg and I discussed things at great length and decided that, following the experiences of games we had watched and from our time in the wings, any offer over £20,000 should be taken - regardless of what point in the game it is offered.

Offers of about £15k should be seriously considered with the average board at 11 box stage and again, with an average board at 5 box stage then £10k should be carefully thought about :D

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£35,000
£50,000
£75,000
£100,000
£250,000

Offer £20,000 - deal or no deal?

You would say deal?


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Pammybun

PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:09 pm    Author: Pammybun    Post subject:

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at what stage is that on the board??????? I mean if that was the last five boxes you would not get offered £20k would you.

I am talking about average boards - obviously there are some exceptions but what you really need to always look at is what happens if you take out the three highest numbers in the next round - which has been done :D

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:10 pm    Author: Zeddie    Post subject:

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Pam: I think he means as the final 5.

I also think Wakey is about to start up unnecessary conflict... :| *tags thread*

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:10 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject:
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Well, there are 5 boxes so the fifth offer.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:13 pm    Author: Pammybun    Post subject:

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I was editing my post as you typed so......

I mean if that was the last five boxes you would not get offered £20k would you.

I am talking about average boards - obviously there are some exceptions but what you really need to always look at is what happens if you take out the three highest numbers in the next round - which has been done .

The situation you are talking about would not exist - the banker would offer you about £68k if you had those left in your last five - and I would take it becuae if you then took out the £250k you would never get an offer like that unless you went to the end.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:23 pm    Author: basicasic    Post subject:
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Zeddie wrote:
I also think Wakey is about to start up unnecessary conflict... :| *tags thread*


Change the record mate. I think we all get the picture that you dislike jmas. Your starting to get tedious.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:27 pm    Author: Zeddie    Post subject:

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basicasic wrote:
Zeddie wrote:
I also think Wakey is about to start up unnecessary conflict... :| *tags thread*


Change the record mate. I think we all get the picture that you dislike jmas. Your starting to get tedious.


I'm not just posting because I dislike wakey... of course if you were a bit more broad-minded, you'd realise this. He's just gone back to his old ways before he was banned at Christmas, and well, I don't see why kes hasn't banned him again for the same reasons as at Christmas. :)

Anyway, I'd rather not see this this topic turned into a warzone. PM me if you want to continue this.

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