Recently, there seems to have been nothing but positive thinking in the dream factory. Now I think that's good, but to a certain extent, and I think that the line has been crossed. I've noticed several others now find Phil annoying, who is, several times in every game, trying to force positivity into the rest of the players.

Today's game where Leila warned Theresa about taking out the two big numbers was the height of it for me, it seemed as if Leila couldn't even think that way, being, what I would call, rudely interrupted by Theresa. If the realistic view is being practically banned, will players continue to take huge gambles while looking through rose tinted glasses?

What has happened to realism!? Discuss!

There's a lot to be said for a positive attitude - think how negativity seemed to take over in "OPL week" a month or so ago... but positivity doesn't always have to mean "gamble to the end" of course.

The place for that kind of comment is when there's been a really bad round with an insulting offer at the end of it. Not when it's an offer close to the mean on a risky board! Theresa was clearly there for a shot at the really big money though, so not sure any amount of people urging her to deal would have worked.

That's what it seems to be being taken as to me, though. I don't think I've ever heard Philip advise anyone to deal...he just says that with positivity, they can easily improve the offer. Which is rubbish. I think Theresa was heavily influenced by it today, and Jeannie and John in the past two games seemed to be pounced on the moment they said anything remotely negative. I think Noel even had a go at John for being negative after he'd taken out the big three in consecutive boxes!! There's nothing wrong with being realistic...

It's really up to them, It's what they want to do. If they want to bring positivity in, then they should.

This is a TV programme they are making. They should realise that everyone at home can't be bothered to listen to everyone talk about keeping positive. They could be as negative as they want and they could still win £250,000. They could be as positive as they want, and win a blue! (Like today)

I think positivity only needs to be bought in in games like Philomena's - when the player is clearly not enjoying the experience.

Didn't Philip advise Barry to deal the last offer? And look what happened there!

Oh yes, sorry, I'd forgotten that! It looks like everyone should just do the opposite of what Phil says then...

Yes, and he chimed in without being asked too. I'm all for other contestants giving advice but it should be only when asked for.

i like when people say, "there is another round", how do they know, it could go either way, are they physic.

i missed the bit where phil said his bit about the game, but i remember noel saying that phil mentioned that she could not take the other two power five in the next round, can someone remember what phil said to thersea.

It was something along the lines of she'd be incredibly unlucky if she took out the three big ones left or she was unlikely to take the three remaining power five amounts out in one round. As it stood, she took 2 of them.

He said 'it would be unbelievable bad fortune to knock out 3 of the power 5 in the next round. I think we can improve on £21,000 I really do'.

Ironic really that she took his advice and took out 2 of them in the next round and the game collapsed. Then he ignored his own preaching during his own game and could have got a lot more.

So much for his positivitey.

I've always said I would not ask anyone's advice at all or listen to it, I know how much money would be life changing for me and if I achieved that I would be really happy when offered it to go. However I would probably bale before that if the game was going really badly as usually (and I know not always) when they start bad they continue that way for some reason. Of course everyone would like the 250 but realistically the chances of getting it are small as shown by the fact we only have one winner so far, whereas chasing the money has produced 9 1p winners.

Suezan: given how much you praise Noel, I am really really pleased you've made that post, as it is at least implicit criticism of his attitude. (Much as I've criticised him for that, I'll grant you that he's a quality entertainer capable of producing some wonderful moments. But he has proven he cannot host this format correctly, and should be on another show where his talents can come to the fore without the sting in the tail he shows on DoND.)

The thing is, if the £250k is on the table, there will usually (and I think with current Banker behaviour we can just about say 'always') be an offer at some point in the game that any sensible individual of moderate wealth would instantly accept. No such guarantee exists with the 1p or indeed any other blue - the board could turn in any possible way as each blue is largely indistinguishable (psychological impact of the 1p notwithstanding), whereas the £250k is very clearly detached from the rest of the board.

To return to the general point, the current wave of 'positivity' is dangerous, unquestionably used as a euphemism for recklessness (and I've no doubt that originates from Noel), and it is removing what game was left in the Delusion Factory.

Or maybe I'm saying this because I'm a self-confessed pessimist.

And lets be right here The only reason we have one 250k winner is because they deliberatly gave out a pathetic offer to try and get a winner (most people on here woulda NDed easily im sure too), Had the offer been more realistic we would still be looking for our first 1/4 millionaire to this day.

Don't deny it lol

The only positivity I'd need is my own screw everyone else whenever anyone or anything interferes in your own game and mind set it always crumbles.

We all know that Noel Edmonds is a very positive-thinking type person - he wrote his book Positively Happy in which he gives tips about being positive and so on - so it was inevitable that it would make its way to DOND eventually.

In some ways, I have more respect for a player when they say "Oh dear, I didn't want that" or "Nah, the board isn't that great, really" as it shows that they are being realistic - often I see a player say "Yeah, that's fine!" when clearly they're upset - I think Swappy Barbara is an example of this after she swapped away £100,000 for £1,000!

It's good to be positive in all walks of life, I don't think anyone can realistically argue with that - but in a game like DOND, positivity isn't always what is required - and a more realistic approach is the best way to analyse the game.

I think positive thinking in a game is good in a game that's going wrong, such as Philomena's game - to try and give the player hope and cheer them up.

However, saying that being positive will make an already big offer go up is unfortunately a load of rubbish - there is some truth that the banker may adjust the offer depending on how determined / positive / courageous you are, etc. - but ultimately it depends on what boxes you take out in the round and how your board looks - unless you can positively know where the money is, the positivity has no bearing...

I think the main problem for me is the idea that Noel/other players are forcing positivity onto people who aren't naturally like that. If a player comes out with a naturally positive attitude, such as Tingly John or Ooh Sarah, then that's great, but there are some people, such as Jeannie and John from last week, who just aren't like that, and they shouldn't be bullied into taking an approach that they wouldn't naturally follow. Part of the fun of DOND is seeing different people's different approaches to the game, and if everyone is forced into going into it with the same attitude then it takes a lot of that away.

Oh yes i like Noel but if he started clucking at me like a chicken or saying i'd made a big mistake even i would thump him ,and hard as well, lol if I was happy with my winnings then that would be good enough for me