Why does Noel say this after people have dealt?

1) I can't believe anyone would actively lie at that stage

2) In any case, I don't see how in most cases people would know how they "would have played" for definite anyway?

Possibly for people who have some sort of system?

It would be completely pointless to play on 'dishonestly' anyway as your just as likely to come off worse as if you played on 'honestly'. After all it is a game of chance in the end.

I do think that if you don't have a system, you switch from subconciously picking the boxes you think contain low values to the ones you think have high ones. Not that it changes the odds of course!

I remember after GK's game, he posted on the forum saying that he thought Wrighty had the £100k, so he picked it first box in the proveout and was right, and I thought he did well not saying anything about it to Noel, as I'm sure Noel would have stopped him picking Wrighty!

Also £29,999 Gary and Tom missed out on OPWs becuase they were too honest, and said (correctly!) where they thought the £250k was, they should have just shut their mouths!

It's another one of those completely useless things that are said.

IT'S RANDOMLY OPENING 22 BOXES! - It's doesn't matter if you lie or stand on your head.

You don't lie: Result: Random
You Lie: Result: Random
You Stand on Head Lying and Playing the Bagpipes: Result: Random

That is because people could sub-consciously go for the boxes which they feel contain the higher money - obviously it doesn't mean anything in terms of where the money is, but if they choose the boxes differently to how they would've changed them in-play, then this means the outcome would most likely be different (unless it's a board which doesn't matter as it consists of all blues or something).



This is why I think it is important to have a system, so you can't have any regrets about whether choosing different numbers would've resulted in different amounts being revealed and different offers and so on.

In fact in the early days of the show, I used to think that they should force everyone to have a system to avoid inaccurate proveouts (although the banker's post-deal offers are normally inaccurate, so it's all academic really, anyway - and also if they were in-play, the player may insult the banker or something and result in a lower offer, or may reveal they are a gambler, resulting in a higher offer, etc.).

Where do you get this idea? If you tell the truth it shows how the game WOULD have gone. If you lie its a waste of time. It is in no way useless, as playing on with honesty shows how the game would have developed. If they were lying about it, it would have not prove what would have happened and they might as well have just opened the player's box.

Are you for real? You want to prove a random?

It doesn't matter because it doesn't matter what boxes you open. The whole thing is randon!

Systems are a complete load of rubbish in a randon set up. It doesn't matter if it's you cat's birthday or PI divided by your email address; it's all completely random.

Why IS it that people can't cope with randoness?

Yes, of course the game is completely random, but this thread is focusing on the boxes that you WOULD have picked after having dealt which, undeniably, does make a difference to the amount that you 'could' have won.

To use today's example, had Steven taken out the 250k, 100k and 75k after dealing then Noel would have hailed him as the cleverest player of all time and the theoretical 55k offer that he got would have been slashed and we would have been spared Noel's impression of someone who had just had their bag of sweets stolen in the playground.

Your second paragraph has no meaning at all - IT'S RANDON!

Had he stuck to plan of boxes or a pattern the outcome would have been randon - IE it could have equally worked out to be that he would have hit the £250,000.

Had he changed his mind or lied, the outcome would have been randon - IE it could have equally worked out to be that he would have hit the £250,000.

The trouble people are having here is that they just can't get their head around the concept of randomness. IE You can't start making exceptions and what ifs and or anything else.

It's random and just random nothing else - no order, nothing mystic and no amount of anything will change that, including whether you carry on as you would have or change the outcome will be random.

The point we are making is that if in a proveout, the player had chosen:

15 - £250k
12 - £100k
10 - £75k

The offer will clearly be different than if they chose:

9 - 1p
8 - 10p
17 - 50p

If the player has a list of pre-selected numbers to choose in their game and they stick to it, even through the proveout rounds, then they know that that is how their game would have gone, had they carried on and stuck to their system.

At the beginning of the game, the boxes are loaded randomly - and yes, that is true - it is random where the money is - however, the selection of the boxes need not be random, and when Noel says about being honest - he means try and pick the numbers you would've picked if you were still playing - which it is why it is always best, in my opinion, to play the game with a list of pre-selected numbers - so you have no regrets about why you chose a certain number.

id just try and pick ones i wouldnt have picked if i was still playing, who cares if its "not honest to the game" or whatever

if you do different boxes and you get a higher offer than you dealt at, then youre not as annoyed because that may not have happened if you hadnt dealt

if you get a really low offer then you just dont know what wouldve happened so youre not crying your way home

but then again if i got sucked into the dond family, pointless chanting, crying on each others shoulders vibe that seems to happen, then i might not want to lie about it