Maybe I'm just being a bit pedantic but surley Noel has made a mistake when he said we were 4-0 up in season three. Rossano and Karen's games were OPW's and there have been no OBW's but Enid dealt at £22,000 less than 50% of her peak offer so surley that's a Technical Banker Win. Debbie dealt at £18,000, exactly half of her peak offer, so that's a technical draw.

Surley a more accurate scoreline is 2-1 to the players?

Noel can't be trusted at all, any excuse for hyperbole and he'll take it.

The actual summary of the week: one stupid Banker defeat, two one-too-soon-but-still-good Deals, one perfect early Deal.

You could say that it is indeed 5-0. As for each game they have either taken their full actual winnings (Rossano's £35K) or made a deal which is more than the box value.

The whole OBW/OPW/TBW/TPW has been originally set up by "serious" fans and "serious" statisticians of the show. The show and many DoND viewers couldn't care less of these complicated results. I know many people at work who don't bother with the indepth stats.

It's the same to many football fans, they're more interested to see the final result rather than knowing the possession percentage, number of free kicks, corners etc...

In my opinion I'd say it was. Not Outright player wins but still player wins as they have sold their box for a higher amount which their box had contained, making them do a good deal. Like Robert sold his box for £20k odd when he only had 10p. If he got his largest offer in the game, it would have been an OPW but he still beat hte banker as something lower then what he dealt at was in his box. If robert had £35,000 in his box it would have meant he would have lost. In my opinion.

I agree with Cookie - the box amounts have been smaller than what they dealt at, with the exception of Rossano who took home the largest amount available to him.

EDIT: Cookie's new avatar RAWKS!

Fair enough, but you'd think the presenter of the show would know his stuff.

FANS made up all of this stuff, not the producers. They probably have their own system. They probably have their own Fair Deal formula. Just because fans say something is the case, doesn't mean it is!

You're probably right. I suppose we can each decide on our own way of working out that kind of thing. For me it was 3-1 this week and for Noel it was 5-0.

The simplistic definition of "beating the Banker" is where the player sells their box for more than its value (or takes their box value which is higher than any of the offers).

Obviously if you sell your box for more than its value, but could have had more money by going at a different time, it's debatable whether it's a "player" or "banker" win. That's where the scoring system on Bothers Bar originated from really, and it's come into common usage on here. But there's no reason why Noel or the Banker/producers should be expected to go by that system, even though it's widely believed some of them read the various websites!

Lets just agree to disagree

I don't know. the only one close to a banker win is Enid's but it's been so good this week that I mind too much. LOL

From a Pessimist’s view it’s 3 - 3.
From an Optimist’s view it’s 6 – 0 to the contestants.

Rossano, Karen and Jenny beat the Banker and got the most from their game.

Debbie dealt at £18,000 but could have got £36,000
Enid dealt at £22,000 but could have got £55,000
Robert dealt at £20,000 but could have had £25,000

Pessimists would say that the Banker won because they didn’t get the most out the game and that the Banker saved himself from giving away more money than he needed to.

Optimists would say that they beat the Banker because they won more than what was in their box.

I’m kind of half and half really but if Deal or No Deal are saying it’s 6 – 0 then so am I!

I'd call it a 4.5-1.5 victory for the players.

3 1-0 wins for the OPW's
A technical draw for Debbie's game (0.5-0.5)
A 0.4-0.6 banker win for Enid's game
A 0.8-0.2 player win for Robert

Anyone who is arguing over this is being silly-

6 - 0

I think it's good in a way that Noel is classing "anything but an OBW" to be a player win - the way he is at the moment, if Igor had had the penny in his box after dealing 2p, he might have classed that as a player win!

Contrast that to early this year, when it was the exact opposite, he was acting disappointed even in games like Gus's and Paul H's where the player dealt one too early but sold a blue for a life-changing sum, it was as though they'd missed out of the quarter-mill, and also in Lisa's game where she sold 1k for 24k and was only denied an OPW by an AMO proveout offer, he actually corrected her when she said she beat the banker!

agreed Noel has never been good at odds/statistics but he's a lot more positive and has even hinted this week that dealing does actually work!

I agree with you about the other games.
His attitide in Gus and Paul H and Lisa's games was just stupid.

At the end of the day, taking the score 6-0 gives the contestants a morale/confidence boost.

I agree.
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I don't mean to be rude but I think that the "6-0, 6-0 ra ra ra"brigade are being a little silly themselves. Don't get me wrong they're entitled to belive it if they want to but please don't force the opinion on people like Simon and myself.

Is this addressed to me?

I wasn't forcing any opinions on anyone. I was just pointing out the different ways you can look at it. If you think I was forcing an opinion on you then I do apologise. I'm not that sort of person, it's doesn't suit me. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and no opinion is right or wrong.