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Do high/low blues have an effect on the game?
Leaving more low blues than high ones at endgame will lower the Banker's offers considerably 42%  42%  [ 8 ]
There is no discernable difference in offer terms between having high blues and low blues on the board 57%  57%  [ 11 ]
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Maltus

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:14 am    Author: Maltus    Post subject: Should we differentiate between blue amounts?

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Is there much of a difference between blue amounts, with regard to the Banker's offers?

Does the 'Banker's Power 5' really exist? - does it make a tangible difference to his offers?

It strikes me that the highest blues are still decent sums of money, but when they are eliminated they are considered in the same way as the very low amounts.

It seems to me the only blue with a stigma attached to it is the 1p. I think more respect should be given to getting the lowest blues off the board, not simply blues in general.

A fair assessment?


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daniel4389

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:22 am    Author: daniel4389    Post subject:

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I don't think there's much of a difference...if you've been standing there for a couple of weeks, building up your hopes and dreams for what you can do with the money, a few hundred quid isn't likely to be much consolation if your game goes wrong. (Unless you really need the money, in which case you'd almost certainly have Dealt beforehand and wouldn't be in a position where you could win a blue anyway.) I don't think the Banekr pays much attention either...Paul's and Thanh's final offers were pretty woeful despite them having higher blues on the board.

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James1978

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:23 am    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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I think it does makes a diffference to be honest - I'd be more likely to take a risk if losing meant a weekend away somwehere with a few hundred quid rather than a single coin or note. For instance, I'd have probably dealt on Fadil's final pair but not Steve's from just before him, with very similar offers for a £35k prize.

Also if the gamble is for a low-middle red rather than a Power 5, say, a £15k/£750 split is likely to produce a better offer than £15k/10p. It needs to be higher to lessen the risk for the banker!

Similarly, the bank seems to view low reds much better than high blues - a £10k/£1k split seemes to produce offers of £4.5 - £5k, but only about £3k with a £10k/£750

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:13 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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In most games, it doesn't make a difference, however, in games where the 1p is left until late on in the game, the banker's offers are going to be stingy because of his fixation with the 1p.

However, as james rightly pointed out, having a £750 / £15k finish is undoubtedly going to produce a higher offer than a £10 / £15k final two.

I think also the removal of the high blues is cheered too much when the player only has a few reds left - I'd much rather end up with a board of the three highest blues and £3k and £5k, for example, than a board of the three lowest blues and £3k and £5k, as you know the minimum you can go away with is £250, which is certainly better than 1p!


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little_monster

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:19 pm    Author: little_monster    Post subject:

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Debbie's final hypothetical 2: 1p/£250,000; Offer: £60,000.

David W's final hypothetical 2: 10p/£250,000; Offer: £85,000.


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daniel4389

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:29 pm    Author: daniel4389    Post subject:

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h2005 wrote:
However, as james rightly pointed out, having a £750 / £15k finish is undoubtedly going to produce a higher offer than a £10 / £15k final two.


Actually, no it isn't....Terri had £750/£15k and was offered £3,800, while Nessie had £10/£15k and was offered £4,000. I think it's much more dependent on the Banker's perception of the player, and in those two cases he was right...Nessie went for it while Terri took the Deal! (And they both made the wrong decision...)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:02 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject:
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daniel4389 wrote:
h2005 wrote:
However, as james rightly pointed out, having a £750 / £15k finish is undoubtedly going to produce a higher offer than a £10 / £15k final two.


Actually, no it isn't....Terri had £750/£15k and was offered £3,800, while Nessie had £10/£15k and was offered £4,000. I think it's much more dependent on the Banker's perception of the player, and in those two cases he was right...Nessie went for it while Terri took the Deal! (And they both made the wrong decision...)



true, but actually both those offers were of course way below what you'd expect in both situations in november 05.

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Cazza

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:01 pm    Author: Cazza    Post subject:

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I went for:

"There is no discernable difference in offer terms between having high blues and low blues on the board"

I agree with Daniel4389 when he says
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I think it's much more it's much more dependent on the Banker's perception of the player


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Tom22

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:03 pm    Author: Tom22    Post subject:

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The blue amounts are all basically the same and it does matter more on the player when you have a blue red final two.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:12 pm    Author: rico7    Post subject:
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h2005 wrote:
in games where the 1p is left until late on in the game, the banker's offers are going to be stingy because of his fixation with the 1p.

However, as james rightly pointed out, having a £750 / £15k finish is undoubtedly going to produce a higher offer than a £10 / £15k final two.

I think also the removal of the high blues is cheered too much when the player only has a few reds left - I'd much rather end up with a board of the three highest blues and £3k and £5k, for example, than a board of the three lowest blues and £3k and £5k, as you know the minimum you can go away with is £250, which is certainly better than 1p!
I agree with this analysis h. That's why I voted that leaving low blues rather than high ones with reds makes a difference to the offers, significantly so in many cases.


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tr4962

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:21 pm    Author: tr4962    Post subject:

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if the 1p sticks around the banker does take it into account


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Aaron Brock

PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:23 pm    Author: Aaron Brock    Post subject:

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yes it does, it makes it slightly lower than expected

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:42 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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I think there is a difference, and on blue/red finishes it can make a big difference. However, in practice the offers are so variable that this particular element is drowned out by others, with the exception of the psychological influence of the 1p. I haven't voted because my opinion straddles the two options - it will make a difference, but this influence will be lost amongst all the other elements that determine an offer.

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Michael DeVere

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:45 pm    Author: Michael DeVere    Post subject:

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I don't think there's too much of a difference unless of course it's the 1p (and even 10p and 50p to an extent). Perhaps a few hundred quid either way. However I think it depends more on the attitude of the player and the kind of mood the banker is in.


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h2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:11 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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I think actually, today's game proves that the difference between the blues may not really make much of a difference - it is based on the banker's perception of the player - Claudine got an offer of £107,031 with £250k and £10k, Laura got £45k with £250k and £3k, yet there is only £7k difference between £3k and £10k. I know that the remaining value in these games was a red, but the fact that the offers were so wildly different shows that the difference between the blues probably doesn't count for much...

I think the only time it really makes a difference is on a £750 vs £3k board, for example - that would bring a higher offer than £1 vs £3k.


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