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Do The Offeres Go up after a Deal Has Been Made?
Strongly Agree 45%  45%  [ 10 ]
No 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Of Corce They Dont 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Yeah 36%  36%  [ 8 ]
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Martin259

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:11 pm    Author: Martin259    Post subject: Do the Bankers Offer's Go Up After A Contestesnt Has Dealt?

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I reacon they do, Mally dealt at £54,000 and had £100 and £250,000 left and he got offered £145,000, thats even more than fare ammount.

Peter had £1, and £50 and got offered £25 (That didnt really matter)

Marcus took out £35,000 and £75,000 after dealing at £31,000 and she got offered £50,000.


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wakey1512

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:20 pm    Author: wakey1512    Post subject:
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The fact Marcus took out the £35,000 and £75,000 had nothing to do with the high offer Marcus got. Its the fact the big numbers are still there, sometimes you can have a risen offer even if taking out the quater of a million, only if you've got the chunck of £100,000 down to about £15,000.

With the £250,000 and the £100,000 still there, anyone can afford to lose £75,000 downwards, cos it will raise the offer, maybe not much, but at least a bit. He might even stick if hes nasty.

I still dont get why people 'ooh' at £10,000, £15,000 and £20,000. Nowadays, if you took any one of those out in the first round, the offer would be at least £9,000.

If you had an offer of £53,000 at the 5 box stage, with the board like this:


£750
£3,000
£50,000
£100,000
£250,000

You deal, and then you take out £750, £3,000 and £250,000 the offer is bound to be higher than £53,000 with the £50,000 and £100,000 left regardless of the fact you took out the £250,000.

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rico7

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:44 am    Author: rico7    Post subject:
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They do go up, the stats show that.


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MisterAl

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:50 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject:
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Well, it was certainly true that prove-out offers were inflated in general, back at the beginning of the run. But for the most recently broadcast (on Channel 4) games, we're not seeing a statistically significant difference any more.

(Click here if you want to see the gory details.)


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"The Banker"

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:47 pm    Author: "The Banker"    Post subject: Re: Do the Bankers Offer's Go Up After A Contestesnt Has Dea

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duff12 wrote:
Marcus took out £35,000 and £75,000 after dealing at £31,000 and she got offered £50,000.


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Erm, anyway, Marcus was offered £55,000 not £50,000.

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Martin259

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:52 am    Author: Martin259    Post subject: Re: Do the Bankers Offer's Go Up After A Contestesnt Has Dea

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"The Banker" wrote:
duff12 wrote:
Marcus took out £35,000 and £75,000 after dealing at £31,000 and she got offered £50,000.


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Erm, anyway, Marcus was offered £55,000 not £50,000.


hey, it's close enough!


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TicTac

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:03 pm    Author: TicTac    Post subject:

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"OFFER-OF-5 (games 169 to 234)
average in-play offer: 51.1% of the mean
average prove-out offer: 59.9% of the mean

The p-value here is 0.092.

In conclusion then, there's now only very weak statistical evidence to suggest that The Banker adopts a different strategy for prove-out offers than for in-play offers at that stage
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THis is nicked from Mister Al from Bothers Bar.

It shows prove-out offers are a little higher. . but not loads so. .


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MisterAl

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:06 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject:
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Just in case people aren't familiar with statistical tests...

The p-value there shows the significance of the observed difference. Put simply, it's the probability that you'd see a difference as big (or bigger) than that observed IF there were genuinely no difference in Banker strategy.

The probability of 0.092 there (or 9.2%) gives, as I said, only very weak evidence to suppose any difference in Banker strategy. That's because if something has a 9.2% chance of happening by pure chance, then it's not actually that significant when it does happen.


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Aaron Brock

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:53 pm    Author: Aaron Brock    Post subject:

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99.9% of the time i think they're genuine definately when the banker would;ve offered £60,000 with 1p and £250,000

but when Lisa dealt at £20,000 and would've been offered £44,000 and compare with Trevor 1p's game with an almost identical position he was offered £9,900 now i thought that proveout offer to lisa was ridiculous, just under £6,000 of the average

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daniel123

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:33 am    Author: daniel123    Post subject:
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That could be as the banker did not like trevor? is there a time machine so i can go back and make him win the 250K? :lol:

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Martin259

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:18 pm    Author: Martin259    Post subject:

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Lee & Kirsty had the £75,000 & £250,000 in play

Lee Got Offered £150,000 (Already Dealt)
Kirsty Got Offered £125,000 (Not Dealt)


But:

Morris Had £20,000 and £250,000 remaining, o Did Drew

Drew had Dealt and got offered £90,000
Morris Hadn't dealt and got offered £101,000

But i think Mally's £145,000 is riduculas


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wakey1512

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:21 pm    Author: wakey1512    Post subject:
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Mally's £145,000 isn't rediculous, in those days that kind of offer was normal.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:24 pm    Author: daniel4389    Post subject:

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Doesn't stop it being ridiculous! (And I think there've only been four above the mean offers in active play, although I may be wrong there.)

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Martin259

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:07 pm    Author: Martin259    Post subject:

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wakey1512 wrote:
one of those out in the first round, the offer would be at least £9,000.

If you had an offer of £53,000 at the 5 box stage, with the board like this:


£750
£3,000
£50,000
£100,000
£250,000

You deal, and then you take out £750, £3,000 and £250,000 the offer is bound to be higher than £53,000 with the £50,000 and £100,000 left regardless of the fact you took out the £250,000.


Of corce the offer would be higher, If you thort about the message befor you posted it. Of corce it would be higher than £53,000. Why? Becasue u have the £50,000 and £100,000 remaing


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wakey1512

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:12 pm    Author: wakey1512    Post subject:
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You said "Marcus took out the £35,000 and the £75,000 and got offered £55,000".

Yes, because he may still have the £250,000 in play, or some similar scenario to the one I posted.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:44 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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We had some extra high proveout offers today!


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tr4962

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:50 pm    Author: tr4962    Post subject:

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the fourth offer would have no way been 20,000, it would be 10,000 max. the round 5 offer might have been around 20,000


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