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What is the best way to get high offers?
Never reveal personal financial circumstances 23%  23%  [ 15 ]
Always reveal your target to the banker 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Reveal your target, but only if it's over a certain amount 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Make him think you're a Wakeyist gambler going to the end 15%  15%  [ 10 ]
Send him a gift 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Be polite and respectful when no dealing 15%  15%  [ 10 ]
Don't deliberate over the offer, no deal quickly 16%  16%  [ 11 ]
Do something entertaining to win him over 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
In the wings never advise someone to deal 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
Just be honest, true to yourself 16%  16%  [ 11 ]
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rico7

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:01 am    Author: rico7    Post subject: What is the best way to get high offers?
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What is the best way to get high offers from the banker relative to the board you have?

Is it wise to reveal personal financial circumstances?
Is it good to let the banker know your target in some instances?
Does it help if the banker thinks you're a gambler?
What about deliberating over offers too long or dismissing them too quickly?

Other than picking the right boxes, what is the best way to maximise your offers from the banker?

You can select as many options in the poll as you want.


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h2005

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:16 am    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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I don't think it's good to let the banker know what your personal financial circumstances are (if they're bad) and likewise it's not good to reveal your target. I think if the banker thinks you're a gambler, he could assume you're bluffing and actually make the offers lower to punish you. Dismissing the offers too quickly can have a detrimental effect to your game I think, but likewise, deliberating over them makes it look like you're desperate for the money.

This is something I pondered about before going on the show. I was planning to tell the banker that I didn't have as much student debt as other students due to living at home and so on, but I think he knew that anyway from reading my file (and reading the forum!). Other students (Lee and Mathew for example) were offered just £4,000 on 5-box boards which had 3 blues, low reds and £75k on them, and David from last autumn (who admitted about having debts to pay off, I think) was offered just £3,000 on a board virtually identical to mine!

I think the offer I got at 5-box of £6,500 was very fair really, especially after knocking out the highest remaining value in the previous round. The banker knew he had to pitch it carefully. He knew I was a "board reader" most of the time, so knew he wouldn't get away with making a poor offer. He also knew I wasn't in a huge amount of debt, so he knew a low offer wouldn't get me to deal necessarily.

When I spoke to the banker I asked him why he couldn't make my offer higher relative to the mean (hence my comments about Doreen) and he said "Urrrghhhh, I've read what you put on the forum. You'd run a mile if I offered you £20,000. You're not a gambler and we both know it. Why should I make you an offer which is high relative to the mean? Now it's £6,500. I'm going, goodbye" and he hung up. :lol: That's when I said the offer was £10,000, and he phoned back and corrected me! I learnt that pretending the offer is higher than it actually is doesn't get you anywhere (although it did seem to get me a box!).

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h2005

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:17 am    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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I never actually answered your poll question in all that waffle... I think the best way to receive higher offers is to never reveal (bad) personal financial circumstances, be polite and respectful (but not gushing!) when no dealing, do something entertaining, and just be honest in your advice to people. Those are the things which (from experience) I think he values the most!

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:26 am    Author: clareclw1    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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i think the best way to get high offers is to keep as many of the power 5 in play as long as possible!!! :-D

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:36 am    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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clareclw1 wrote:
i think the best way to get high offers is to keep as many of the power 5 in play as long as possible!!! :-D



Ha ha ha. yeah, that helps.

One thing Id say, is that polite, swift and confident no dealing helps a lot. The producers need to get the tense moments at the offers. Don't give them good TV if the offer is too low.

Poker face is required for the point above. When I was offered £15k on first offer, I was a little tempted, but you'd never know it. When I was offered £16.5k on third offer, I knew it made sense and the deal was an instant decision. then is the time to give them there good TV, when you know there is no more game left. Deliberate, pace up and down, etc, then DEAL!!!.

As soon as you deliberate over a certain figure, you'll struggle to go above it again.

WORST HING EVER TO SAY - "I've never had that kind of money before.....". If you say that, just deal, because you'll not get the chance again, lol.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:22 am    Author: cool-luke-18    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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I have listed all of them except answer 2, 5 and 8.
It all depends on what is best for each player, there is not going to be one answer for everyone.

Contestants have to think which is best for them.

For me personally if I was playing the game, for me to get high offers all the banker has to do is read the comments that I have put down on here and/or just simply respect the offers but afterwards swiftly no deal them.
On the thread "What would you have done today" I have said that I would no deal 99.9% of the offers because I would want to make the most of my one opportunity. I am fully aware that this tactic could backfire but the banker has to think if I am not careful he'll go for it and win one of the big ones.


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rico7

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:55 pm    Author: rico7    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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DanJudge wrote:
WORST HING EVER TO SAY - "I've never had that kind of money before.....". If you say that, just deal, because you'll not get the chance again, lol.


Exactly, and likewise I don't think it helps when people say things like "£15,000?! It would take me over 2 years to earn that kind of money!"

I agree with what Dan and David said, they must know what they're talking about cos the banker gave them excellent offers relative to their boards which they dealt at the right time as it turned out in their proveouts! :D


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:07 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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Respectful but decisive is definitely the way to go.

Also to h and any other forum members aspiring to be on the show, never say what you'd do in any given situation on an internet forum. :D

Also revealing a target if it's very high is also good - look at what it did for Buddy's 2-box offer! :)

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:33 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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A bit of "Fakeyism" might help, but don't overdo it (as Swappy Craig who played after £250k Laura found out). I'd say make the Banker think you will sell your box at a price, but that you certainly will not do so cheaply when the big money is in play.

And I think even indicating that you have a target at all is probably a bad idea. The Banker will guess it's £15k or £20k, as in most cases it is!

Decisive but respectful no-dealing is also likely to work in your favour.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:49 pm    Author: Big-Davey    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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Simply be yourself, while not giving off strong impressions that you need the money, or that you'd gamble to the end.

If you did the former, then the offers would be low, and if you did the latter then the Banker would test your resolve, meaning you'd only get massive offers after having some really exceptional luck. Neither are really advisable.

If you be yourself, you let the Banker make his own impressions...and most of the time, combined with some favourable fortune in your game, tends to go your way

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:53 pm    Author: killersbee    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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clareclw1 wrote:
i think the best way to get high offers is to keep as many of the power 5 in play as long as possible!!! :-D


If that isn't the truth :P

Seems to be the only way these days...

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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:18 am    Author: CrazyChair    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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I think being yourself is the best way. If a player tries to give off a false impression, the banker can generally see through it. Not revealing your financial situation would be a good policy, as the banker will know how much to offer to get you to deal. I think the length of time it takes a player to make their decision to no deal plays a part in how much they're offered. If they take too long, then the banker knows that he doesn't have to offer much more.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:48 am    Author: Skyline    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:14 pm    Author: DanJudge    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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A few people (crazychair for one) have picked up on the idea that being too wakeyist or too conservative can't help, and that honesty is the key, and I agree.

I was very honest with what I thought of offers and some players were saying that my honesty would give me bad offers when my time came. I thought that could be the case too, but when giving advice to good friends, I was always going to give a true assessment, even if it was going to hinder me in the long run.

As it happens, I think the banker rewarded me in my game, partly for my impartial assessments and admitting when offers were good. The banker sees through those who always say no deal. I have been told by Andreas that I'm on more4 today and I don't know if It stayed in the edit, but in my game I mentioned how the banker rewards a bit of honesty with good offers.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:19 am    Author: James1978    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?

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Don't be like Declan. :D

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:14 pm    Author: Duffer    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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James1978 wrote:

Also to h and any other forum members aspiring to be on the show, never say what you'd do in any given situation on an internet forum. :D



Haha, I used to think that the reason certain (banned) forum members spouted their 'never deal/open the box' postings was in the belief that if they ever did get onto the show (highly unlikely, I grant you), the Banker would be much more inclined to give them healthy offers because of their 'reputation'. "As if anyone from the show would read and take notice of that", I used to chuckle to myself. And, as it appears to have turned out with H, they did... :?

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:18 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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"As if anyone from the show would read and take notice of that", I used to chuckle to myself. And, as it appears to have turned out with H, they did... :?

Well I used to think the same! I don't think they follow all the forum members and make notes of their gameplay tactics though, I think it's far more likely they scoured through the forum after I'd been accepted on to the show. I suspect that the file they had on me is probably the biggest they've ever had for a contestant, for a number of reasons. :shock: :P

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:15 pm    Author: killersbee    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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James1978 wrote:
Don't be like Declan. :D


Or Richard ;)

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:46 pm    Author: daniel123    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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Duffer wrote:
James1978 wrote:

Also to h and any other forum members aspiring to be on the show, never say what you'd do in any given situation on an internet forum. :D



Haha, I used to think that the reason certain (banned) forum members spouted their 'never deal/open the box' postings was in the belief that if they ever did get onto the show (highly unlikely, I grant you), the Banker would be much more inclined to give them healthy offers because of their 'reputation'. "As if anyone from the show would read and take notice of that", I used to chuckle to myself. And, as it appears to have turned out with H, they did... :?


I'm still here.

But then, it must be noted that I never "spouted 'never deal/open box' postings" quite as much as the others (Wakey in particular). I'll put it plain and simple though, the Fakeyist option was the one I picked - along with the one about swiftly rejecting offers.

In going for the Fakeyist option, I am in limbo as to whether or not I've made a mistake. For instance, if the Banker has knowledge of the contents of your box (which I strongly suspect he does), and say said contents was £250,000, he jolly well is not going to be very laid back with someone "going all the way" and grabbing that off him. He won't be best pleased, then, if you boast that this is your intention with such an air of confidence about you that he believes you - indeed, he'll want to do his very best to stop you in your tracks.
So what's his solution to a Wakeyistic player who's brought the £250k to the table? Easy peasy. Very large offer.

And if that doesn't work, of course, he's screwed. BUT,.......what about the other side of the coin - what if he knows there's £10 in the box and you're going to feel an utter fool when you've won it?
Provided the game goes relatively well for you, ie with £250k and possibly another high figure at 8/ 5 box or so, the very large offers may also be a good course of action - this time, to emphasise your feeling at the end that you're a foolish person and "should've gone at" or "could have had £x amount".

I suppose then, that the Fakeyist option is a risky one to pick; it could go both ways. You go in with an air of bravado, go all the way to 2-box before dealing at a ridiculously high offer from the Banker OR opening your box to reveal £250k. Or you could go in with a similar air of bravado, go all the way to 2-box before opening your box to reveal the tenner and going home again with an air of rather the not-too-good type of embarrassment and humiliation.

But either way, I went for Wakeyist option and Swiftly no-deal. The latter speaks for itself, really.

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:26 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: What is the best way to get high offers?
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Imply that a good offer and only a good offer will take you out of the chair.

It helps if you know what a good offer actually is ;)

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