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wokoman88

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:56 pm    Author: wokoman88    Post subject: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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I ask this ^^ based on this excellent post...

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I'm sure you're right. But as I've also said elsewhere, I'm positive ordinary viewers don't see the "mistakes" that are seen on here and they don't value gambling to the end as highly either because it makes them feel smart that they would have continued but the contestant didn't and the contestant turned out to be wrong etc etc.

I still maintain also that it would be impossible to cast people who will definitely gamble.

I'll get slated for saying it but I think the show recently have been some of the best ever and I honestly feel I'm a bit more average than others here! Mr Average! Big losses are as good as big wins to me.



Now I know it is awful at the moment for us to watch, but does anyone really think this run of caution will indirectly lead to the death of the show? People seem to be of the viewpoint that no-one wants to watch what we've seen recently, but you can't deny that as it says, squanders can be entertaining in their own way..

Am I the only think that the show is in no real danger at all? People say millions will be switching off, but I think that the ordinary viewer will probably not even remember the previous players name, and so will just see the next game as a new day.

I know people on here don't like what we're seeing right now, neither do I, but as someone once said.. we're not ordinary. When someone misses out on a Power 5, I don't think "Oh dear, you fool for dealing" I think "Oh dear, how angry will the wakeyists be?" :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:59 pm    Author: tr4962    Post subject:

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People are only cautious because its the cautious people/people that need money that seem to be selected for the show


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h2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:00 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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I don't think it'll be the death of the show as some people have been making out. I do think though that it could be the end of the game as we know it, as there seem to be so few board readers willing to take even the slightest chance these days. But as for viewing figures, I can't see it having a huge impact (in fact it's not - the figures have been stable for months as croftrock rightly says).

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:05 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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Also, we are not most viewers. I suspect there were loads and loads of viewers who thought Les's No Deal at £25,000 was idiotic and the preceding Deals weren't, largely because of their own financial situation!

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h2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:08 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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Yes good point - I read on another forum how greedy they thought everyone on DOND is, and how (for example, one I comment I read) Tommii should've dealt at £10,000 and not been so greedy...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:10 pm    Author: Craig    Post subject:

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h2005 wrote:
I don't think it'll be the death of the show as some people have been making out. I do think though that it could be the end of the game as we know it, as there seem to be so few board readers willing to take even the slightest chance these days. But as for viewing figures, I can't see it having a huge impact (in fact it's not - the figures have been stable for months as croftrock rightly says).


Ive just had a look at some of the viewing figures for the past couple of weeks and they used to average around 2.5 million per show but i think that has dropped to around 1.7 million. (but i think the drop could be because people are away on holiday and cant watch it), but with the recent games im starting to wonder if that figure will go anywhere near the 2.5 million average!


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h2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:13 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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As I'm sure croftrock would tell you (;)) the dip in figures now is surely due to it being summer and people being out in the lovely sunshine (or the pouring rain as is the case with Wednesday :roll: ). I think any dip in ratings overall would probably be more to do with people just getting naturally bored of the show more than anything else. We won't be able to tell properly until the end of the year when the darker and duller evenings have set in.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:14 pm    Author: greeny    Post subject:

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Craig wrote:
h2005 wrote:
I don't think it'll be the death of the show as some people have been making out. I do think though that it could be the end of the game as we know it, as there seem to be so few board readers willing to take even the slightest chance these days. But as for viewing figures, I can't see it having a huge impact (in fact it's not - the figures have been stable for months as croftrock rightly says).


Ive just had a look at some of the viewing figures for the past couple of weeks and they used to average around 2.5 million per show but i think that has dropped to around 1.7 million. (but i think the drop could be because people are away on holiday and cant watch it), but with the recent games im starting to wonder if that figure will go anywhere near the 2.5 million average!


The Saturday shows probably drag down the other shows from an average of around 2 million, which is still hugely impressive for a daytime show.


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h2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:15 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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You also have to remember the figures vary wildly depending on whether you refer to C4 sales, BARB or other sources, as some include recordings / More4 viewers and some don't as some are overnight figures only.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:43 am    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject:

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I would really like to see a return to the mix of average 15-20K wins, a good few large wins and a huge finish every 3/4 weeks as a default but we're not getting that.

I'm still curious about the show and use 4od and the forum to keep up with it. There's a little curiosity about the show as it still theoretically has the potential to be very good and Slim, Jess and Charles have narrowly saved it recently but it has been frustrating.

I just keep an interest because 2 and a half years hasn't quite burnt it out, maybe in a year or 2 they should stop it. :?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:56 am    Author: MackemAndy    Post subject:
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WHen DOND does finally stop the question is what will happen to the other contestants?

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h2005

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:02 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject:
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h2005 wrote:
As I'm sure croftrock would tell you (;)) the dip in figures now is surely due to it being summer and people being out in the lovely sunshine (or the pouring rain as is the case with Wednesday :roll: ). I think any dip in ratings overall would probably be more to do with people just getting naturally bored of the show more than anything else. We won't be able to tell properly until the end of the year when the darker and duller evenings have set in.


Haha and sure enough, Wednesday's show scored 2.2 million viewers when the episodes in the rest of the week didn't even touch 1.9 million!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:50 pm    Author: Big D    Post subject: Re:

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MackemAndy wrote:
WHen DOND does finally stop the question is what will happen to the other contestants?


Interesting question. If they ever reach a final show, I guess they'd have a player, and maybe just give the remaining 21 some kind of cash as compensation.

As for the main topic, maybe it's time to up the ante and increase the prize money in an attempt to make people try harder.

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h2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:03 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?
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That would surely result in higher offers though and make people even more prone to dealing! Although based on the current banker behaviour, the offers would remain the same even if the top prize was £500k or more. :roll:

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Aaron Brock

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:06 pm    Author: Aaron Brock    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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Big D wrote:
MackemAndy wrote:
WHen DOND does finally stop the question is what will happen to the other contestants?


Interesting question. If they ever reach a final show, I guess they'd have a player, and maybe just give the remaining 21 some kind of cash as compensation.


Noel has always stuck to "Everyone gets a chance in the crazy chair," so they'll probably have past players or audience members fill the wings spaces.

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As for the main topic, maybe it's time to up the ante and increase the prize money in an attempt to make people try harder.


I particularly don't mainly for H's reason (yay, first time the "At least one new post has been made to this topic. You may wish to review your post in light of this." post comes up!). I reckon it's mainly a need, in the current credit crunch we're in. Things aren't gonig to bet much better. Not for a while. A long while.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:13 pm    Author: Big D    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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Past players? Well thought of Aaron!! never even crossed my mind.

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Craig

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:44 pm    Author: Craig    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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I heard somewhere that when the final of the show comes they were just going to have the crew open up the remaining boxes, but i can't remember where i read that!


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Michael DeVere

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:53 pm    Author: Michael DeVere    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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Perhaps the most popular players of all time will return? Or perhaps the biggest (or smallest) winners of all time will return?

Maybe by that stage no-one will care and they'll just random people to open them.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:15 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?
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Aaron Brock wrote:

Noel has always stuck to "Everyone gets a chance in the crazy chair," so they'll probably have past players or audience members fill the wings spaces.


That's how Power5 ended his Second Chance series, bigger winners on the wings. Audience members, now that'd be an idea. :P

Totally agreed on why people are dealing earlier. Don't forget that the run of caution almost exactly coincides with episodes filmed after the Northern Rock collapse, which was the moment most people realised their money might not be safe, and the real run of caution has come in episodes filmed since about March, when the general public started to particularly notice the credit crunch (and food/energy price inflation).

In that context, a year's salary is much, much more likely to feel life-changing than in a boom period.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:57 pm    Author: alexandercbrown    Post subject: Re: Just exactly how damaging is the current run of caution?

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that would make sense if they were all 20-25K targetism but we've seen rubbishy more moderate 4fig and 10Kish deals too like Marysia for example.


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