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davedorn

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:37 am    Author: davedorn    Post subject: 250k in the last two
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how many times, now, has the 250k been in the last two? And how many times has it made it to the table?

swap or no swap....

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rico7

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:07 am    Author: rico7    Post subject:
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If you include the proveout stage, 24 times, 8 of which were games with 250K coming to the table.


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James1978

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:52 am    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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Let's list them all: :)

£250k at table:

Natalie
Mally
Daz
Anna
Germaine
Bob
Patricia
Debbie (1)

£250k in last pair but not at table (including proveout):

Maurice
Jennifer
Sara
Lee (1)
Nancy
Kirsty
Gary (2)
Morris
Tom
Drew
Paul (4)
Nev
David W
David J
Tony
Lucy

I make that 16 - it's been in the last pair but not the table twice as much as it's been at the table. Is that statistically significant?

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MisterAl

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:36 pm    Author: MisterAl    Post subject:
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James1978 wrote:
I make that 16 - it's been in the last pair but not the table twice as much as it's been at the table. Is that statistically significant?

Nope.

Using the hypothesis that it's a 50/50 chance that the £250k is in the player's box, given that it's still in play at the two-box showdown, we get the following probability...

CHANCE OF THE £250k BEING IN THE PLAYER'S BOX 8 TIMES (OR FEWER) OUT OF 24 = 0.07579

That's a chance of around 7.6%, which is quite small, but nowhere near small enough to doubt the validity of the "50/50" hypothesis.


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James1978

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:10 pm    Author: James1978    Post subject:

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Interesting, cheers MisterAl! :smt023

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davedorn

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:12 pm    Author: davedorn    Post subject:
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Hmmm... I said a while back that I thought it was 2:1 in favour of swapping. And while the theory night not back that up, the actuality certainly does.

Although, when you're at last three, there's a two-thirds chance that the 250k isn't in your box - and while I know it'll be shouted down, the actual real-life results don't half bear Monty Hall out.

And here's why - In Monty Hall, we know that Monty is always going to reveal a losing box. In DOND, we don't actually have a "last three" stage as such - and to get to last 2 with the 250k in play, you must have emulated Monty and chucked a "loser" out at the "choose from three boxes" stage.

How you got there doesn't matter - it's a given. That you've got the 250k still in play is also a given and that you've chucked out the losing box is a given.

In other words, arriving at that stage carries the same probability that Monty chucks a losing box out - it's 1 - cos you've done it.

At that point, it doesn't matter how you got there - you can ignore the 19 boxes previously discarded, because you've done the deed - remember we're only looking at the situation where the 250k is in the last two - and it so closely mirrors Monty Hall, that it's no surprise that the 2:1 odds in favour of swapping have thus far been borne out.

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James1978 wrote:
I make that 16 - it's been in the last pair but not the table twice as much as it's been at the table. Is that statistically significant?

Nope.

Using the hypothesis that it's a 50/50 chance that the £250k is in the player's box, given that it's still in play at the two-box showdown, we get the following probability...

CHANCE OF THE £250k BEING IN THE PLAYER'S BOX 8 TIMES (OR FEWER) OUT OF 24 = 0.07579

That's a chance of around 7.6%, which is quite small, but nowhere near small enough to doubt the validity of the "50/50" hypothesis.

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