Asma's games today will probably bring the question of how we classify the rare occasion that a player goes to the end and opens their box to reveal an amount that is equal to their peak offer (a scenario that was never taken into account when the original scoring system was devised).

I think the best way would be to take a consensus of opinion so please feel free to vote.

I'm going for a Draw because I can't class it as beating the banker unfortunately.

In truth, both.

But because it's both, and also an Outright win, any draws should be classed with the rest of the OPWs because on paper it is still the most amount of money available in the game won.

But this is really a very balanced argument, and it could be a long one. That is my opinion though!

I'd call it an OPW, as there's no way they could possibly have improved on what they won. If not then in some games there's absolutely no way for the player to get an OPW (except picking different boxes), which seems pretty harsh.

Well you win the maximum amount from the game... so I'd say it's an OPW.

An OPW sounds better in higher winning games
A TD sounds better in lower winnings games.

I took the latter with the run we have!

This is in general. The amount won and the circumstances in the game can't have anything to do with it.

OPW. There was no chance to get any more money.

I know, but they just sound more right for some strange reason :S

Interesting that we still haven;t seen the reverse scenario of today happening yet - where someone deals for the same value as the box, but doesn;t have a higher offer - shame Linda E got a higher proveout offer and Stuart (2) effectively dealt too late!

Incidentally, I'd call results like Asma, Nalini and Margaret OPWs and a game where the banker buys the box for its value an Outright Draw!

I'd probably count games like this as OPWs (although they're marked on my spreadsheets as draws at the moment...), as the player has got the maximum amount out of the game. Interesting point James makes about if the banker buys the box for its value, it should be classed as a draw. I think that makes some sort of the sense, because the banker's main object is to BUY the box for the least money possible, and if the player no-deals to the end and receives the maximum amount in the game, he has failed in that objective, and therefore it should be a OPW, I think.

So in short (IMO):
Box amount win= peak offer = OPW
Deal at peak offer= Box value= TD
Deal= Box value (not peak offer)= well-I'm-still-not-sure-about-this!

My thoughts exactly!

If you were to think that though, you'd need a boundary for a 'small win' and a 'big win' to seperate TDs to OPWs

Its as draw, no doubt about it.

Bankers view; Highest sum offered = sum won

Players view; Sum won = highest offer

If thats not a draw I dont know what is! Neither win, neither lose.

While Asma won the same amount as the highest offer, I think it was more of a draw than a win.

For example, if she dealt at £5,000, and then had £5,000 in her box, this would be less considered a win. Also, the banker could hardly lose if he never offered more than the box's value, which is implied by a player win.

And what happens if the banker had offered £5,001? Thinking caps on.

I can understand both of the arguments to classify these games as OPWs or as draws, but there's no way they're technical draws! When a player goes right to the end it's always going to be an outright result, isn't it?

True - I think it's the draw part that I'm more interested in. You can call it a outright draw if you want (or just a draw)