I agree. But, I do think that serial killers should be killed, because they are often too mental and dangerous to be re-educated, and because of taking many lives, I believe, you should give something back, even if there's only one of you.

Only for serial killers though. Other than that the other criminals should be locked in a basic cell with an old mattress on the floor and a bucket in the corner. They then should be fed two times a day, an apple and yesterday's chips for lunch, and even worse food in the evening. they should get a 10 minute break twice a day in a concrete closed in square.

Don't know about executing serial killers - would you execute a chav if it had killed 3 or more people with some time inbetween?

So what you#'re saying, cookie, is that prisons should be like they used to be, even as short a time as 40-50 years ago, consisting of Door, stone ledge, thin mattress, whitewashed walls. And the door should be white to go with the walls, no space underneath.

That's a good idea, but it's like computers - from here the only way is up, and it's only going to get better, more cushy and comfortable. Prison is now the no. 1 place to be in U.K...

Yes.


Oh, that or bars. Or a painting of a happy big happy smiley face on the wall.


Exactly, it's more like a reward, than a punishment.

With all this DNA fingerprint and ID malarchy, you could safely carry out Capital Punishment, possibly, they could invent something that will deteriorate you over a really long period of time?

No evidence is 100% conclusive. If you use that logic, then why do innocent people still end up in prison for crimes they didn't commit? It simply isn't safe, it's too big a risk.

Here's an idea - lock people up for crimes they DID commit! That way, we'll really get to see the meaning of "overcrowded"...

Aaron, something that deteriorates you over a long period of time? Make them smoke, take heroin, cannabis, cocaine...make them drink 75 pints of cider every day...there's loads of things, and they're all pretty...subtle if you don't include the cider, all "humane" and all apart from the cider very common, particularly in England.

Yes, well done Daniel, another fantastic idea. Oh my, and here's me thinking that the prison system was already meant to do that... god, I just don't know what we'd do without your ingenious drivel sometimes.

It's not that simple. If it was that simple, innocent people wouldn't be wrongly accused and wrongly convicted.

That Shropshire mansion fire is quite a scary piece of news at the moment, with the four dogs and 3 horses being shot before the fire had been 'purposely' started. One of the two bodies that has been recovered belonged to Jillian Foster (Christopher's husband) and the other body belongs to an adult man. Kirstie, the fifteen year old teenager was on the internet at 1am and then a powercut occured, however there is no sign of her body yet.

I think what makes it really disturbing is that the familys pets were killed and then dragged through the house as they can see the blood trails from above and that the house was boarded up from inside... It's like a horror movie.

It is... Someone was obviously pretty serious about something, because taking the time to board up all the doors and make sure there was no possible exit at all is quite scary. I can't even imagine what the victims were thinking. Especially the 15-year old. What's even more odd is that the gun was registered in Christopher's name. Were they taken by surprise. There could be loads of different ideas; the dad taking his and his family's lives due to him owing so much money, or some dodgy person wanted revenge and broke in or... It could have been anything. I really don't understand why the dogs and horses in the outbuildings were shot and dragged into the main house, and why wasn't that other dog shot in the outbuilding? There are so many unanswered questions. Why, just why?

You've said some stupid things in your time but this just takes the biscuit. We threw the concept of the death penalty out long ago and we don't want to go back to it. It's inhumane (it puts you on the same level as them),it's an easy way out (they should be forced to rot in prison- with none of the cushy privileges they currently have in their cells) and there can be mistakes that can't be undone. 1 innocent life is 1 innocent life too many- we can't possibly justify taking this sort of gamble.

Didn't I say something similar to this sometime ago?

I agree they should rot and be seperated from the outside world.

Precisely- tiny cell, bread and water to survive on and minimal so-called "leisure time" a day. And when the human rights activists moan, you grab them and give them a good slap round the face for being so stupid as to think these criminals deserve anything better and then take them to the graves of the people the criminals have murdered or to their surviving victims. Then let's see where their humanitarianism stands...

That mansion fire is just really scary, as Tom has said.

Almost out of a movie

They've found a third body in that house...

Oh dear

It's supposed to be the daughter, isn't it?

It's awful!

This is indeed like something straight out of a horror movie... we may never know exactly what happened but it sounds as though there are enough remains of the house for the police to hopefully be able to piece together what went on there.

Well lets hope it's not his daughter!
I reckon Christopher killed his wife and child, burnt the house down to destroy the evidence, shot the animals and then killed himself. If so... Why?

Well, me and one of my friends spent hours on MSN being detectives and we've come up with a few likely stories:

1. Someone wanted revenge, and cut the power from the outside so the Alarm System wasn't working, and shot the animals to avoid noise or something, but they didn't realise that Kirstie was still awake (She was in a chatroom when the power cut happened)...

2. Christopher was going to burn down the house for insurance money to help pay off some of the debts, however it went a bit wrong and he shot his wife in an arguement, and then shot his daughter because she may or may not have seen him do it, then get paranoid and shot the pets, then couldn't believe what he did and set fire to the house and shot himself.

3. Maybe, in a protest, Christopher destroyed everything that had cost him money...

4. If there was a powercut, and bullets throughout the building, then surely the person responsible knew their way around the house, so maybe family, friends or someone else familiar. Gun bullets throughout - Maybe the family were chased?! But as the doors and windows were bolted up, they would have been found regardless?

5. Was the house burnt down to stop police getting as much evidence? Suggesting that someone else, commited the crimes, because if the house was burned down to provide a lack of evidence, why? It wouldn't have made any difference to Christopher because he'd be dead.

6. Loan taken from an illegal loan shark? Maybe the pets were killed to restrict evidence rather than just because they were making noise?

7. Maybe the daughter (Kirstie) as she was on the computer, obviously realised the power went off so went downstairs and tried to turn it back on, but there was someone down there, and she screamed which woke her mum up who also came down the stairs. The power was cut thinking that everyone was asleep so the family didn't know they were coming, but it went wrong because the daughter was still up.

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like in a minor way, he probably startled his wife who probably threatened to take the daughter away from the dad and debt but then when the wife went to bed and he tried to do it alone but it went wrong with a struggle leading to the wife's death, he was so shocked he killed himself leaving the daughter unaware until the fire began, he probably never intended for it to end in death but with them.

I know which seems the most likely, but not everything is what it seems.

I've just been told that the third body found in the burnt-down home in Shropshire could be Kirstie Fosters, although this might not be true. I was also told that her bedroom collapsed into the cellar whilst Kirstie lay asleep in bed. I hope it's not true and that Kirstie is well and safe.