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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:16 
Kate's game today.

Noel welcomes us to a fresh week in the Dream Factory, and talks about how excited the contestants are to be there...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:17 
The Newbie looks like that contestant from Dutch Idol who sung badly


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:17 
That introduction was similar to family fortunes with the family introduction 'There's my brother ...' 'Hi Les'


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:18 
Kate has box 6 today. Kate is from Bristol and Noel says she has brought an army along with her, and she introduces her husband, brother, and dad. Kate tells us they are all gamblers, and she also tells Noel that she likes to gamble as well. Noel reveals that when she is not gambling she is an advisor for savings and investments :P Noel asks who will listen to her in her job now that they know that she gambles in her free time :-D Kate shows us a picture from her wedding...


Here we go...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:20 
Kind of not nice as Saturday £50,000... and Friday £100,000...and then same £100k on Wednesday.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:22 
Round 1

Kate wants to get Phil out the way first as he thought he had the £250,000 :shock: She wants to prove him wrong...

14 - £50 Phil

18 - £500 Derek

Kate is leaving Steve with box 17 until the end, so he steps back and takes it easy :D

12 - £1,000 Sarah

15 - £100,000 Nicola

5 - £20,000 Dave

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:23 
Kate tells Noel it's OK, but not the best... The banker tells Margaret that he is very excited today as he's been swimming around her hook :shock:

Banker offers

£8,100


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:24 
Kate says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:27 
Next round

Kate blabs that Steve went to the casino with her one night, then realises that his wife is in the audience and he didn't want her to know he had been to a casino, but Kate says it's OK as he was very lucky :P

11 - 10p Ken

2 - £75,000 Caron

There is a big hole in the reds now says Noel...

Mark with box 22 next, but Noel calls a break first...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:28 
I think I like this game Kate is really funny :D But please go through the second round without finding the QM!!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:31 
...yeah.. another game of unrealistic inflated offers coming..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:31 
We're back
Last box before the banker...

22 - £50,000 Mark

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:32 
Kate's dad tells her to remain positive and she can pull out an all blue round...

Banker offers

£5,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:32 
Kate says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:33 
[quote="kestral"]Kate's dad tells her to remain positive and she can pull out an all blue round...

Where


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:34 
This is looking very dangerous already. I'd be clearly looking for a get-out already - assuming one was forthcoming of course. It does come down to the offer


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:35 
Next round

7 - 1p :D Margaret

19 - £750 Matt

That's made a bit of difference says Noel...

Noel puts pressure on Justin not to ruin the round now!!

9 - £250 Justin

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:35 
Kate is so lovely and beautiful, really hope she gets a huge amount! :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:35 
kestral wrote:
Next round

7 - 1p :D Margaret

19 - £750 Matt

That's made a bit of difference says Noel...

Noel puts pressure on Justin not to ruin the round now!!

9 - £250 Justin

Banker time


Stop it Noel Justin is really nervous :x


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:36 
That looks a lot better says Noel...

Banker offers

£12,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:36 
Like I said... inflated offers.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:37 
Nicola offers Kate some advice and tells her she could still go on and get a better offer... The newbie Matty gives lots of advice as well, and Noel says he talks a lot for a newbie :P

Kate says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:38 
kestral wrote:
Nicola offers Kate some advice and tells her she could still go on and get a better offer... The newbie Matty gives lots of advice as well, and Noel says he talks a lot for a newbie :P

Kate says

NO DEAL


Might make Matty a fanclub :D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:39 
That wouldn't be stupid to take with the volatility of the board, you know...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:39 
Next round

3 - £10,000 Laura

16 - £100 Joy

This is a big big box next says Noel, so he calls a break first...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:40 
kestral wrote:
Next round

3 - £10,000 Laura

16 - £100 Joy

This is a big big box next says Noel, so he calls a break first...


DON'T JINX THIS NOEL :x


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:41 
If this is an all blue round.. the offer will be around £17k or there abouts. Or at least.. it should be - realistically. If it's a lot more then... well.. hmm.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:41 
russboys747 wrote:
Like I said... inflated offers.


Are you watching the same game!?

These offers about normal at the moment....


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:43 
Err what juts happened to my message?? lol.. it was written before this round started..hehe..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:44 
We're back
Last box before the banker

Noel says he has a good feeling about this game...

20 - £5 Jean


Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:45 
It's excellent news to have this board at this stage of the game says Noel...


Banker offers

£21,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:45 
I'll sort a stats sheet out soon, I promise...

Stats after Round 4
Offer: £21,000
Mean: £38,501.44
Offer %: 54.54%


Board


£0.50
£1

£10






£3,000
£5,000

£15,000

£35,000



£250,000


Last edited by Tom22 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:46, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:45 
KP wrote:
That wouldn't be stupid to take with the volatility of the board, you know...


It wouldn't, but I wouldn't deal it.

I'd definitely take £21,000 though!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:46 
Tom.. don't mis-understand me - I like the offers.. I'm just saying that the offers are inflated against what he was offering for similar games around January. I am not complaining, he waas giving giving great offers last year and I like that he is doing it again. £21k is a great offer.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:46 
She's a gambler, why is she asking people? The real gamblers like Jeff and Khanny are pure bipolar opposites of this woman. :roll:


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:47 
Kate turns to her husband and says it's a great offer... Nicola tells Kate he's made it a good offer as he's scared of Kate and what she might have in her box...

Shaz tells Kate that she has to think about if she would be happy going away with whats left if she took out the £250,000 and £35,000 in the next round... Kate asks Noel for a a tissue....

Kate says

DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:48 
russboys747 wrote:
Tom.. don't mis-understand me - I like the offers.. I'm just saying that the offers are inflated against what he was offering for similar games around January. I am not complaining, he waas giving giving great offers last year and I like that he is doing it again. £21k is a great offer.


I dont think they are :? Everyone gets different levels of 'inflation' and she has built up this gambling persona, which would influence it, but even still I was expecting around £20k for that last offer.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:49 
Kate tells us they are all gamblers, said kestral earlier

Kate says deal...

at £21,000 with 250k still there....

I smell something.....


Last edited by lathebault on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:50, edited 2 times in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:49 
Obviously with that phone call.. if it turns out that she had the 250k then we will know its a fix yes?


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:50 
That was not easy says Noel... The banker calls back before the first box is opened, and says he believes that Kate has the £250,000!

Proveout round

1 - £15,000 George

4 - £35,000 Andy

You are doing this in reverse order at the moment says Noel

8 - £5,000 Sheila

Banker time


Last edited by kestral on Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:53, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:50 
£41,000 I reckon.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:50 
It was 3 reds says Noel, but not the big one...

Banker would have offered...

£37,500


Last edited by kestral on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:51, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:51 
Buahaha! Liar!!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:51 
Ooooh...

Stats after Round 5
Offer: £37,500
Mean: £50,602.30
Offer %: 74.11%

Board
£0.50
£1
£10

£3,000
£250,000


Ok with just £250k and those low red/blues, I'll admit thats inflated..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:52 
An all-red round, removing both significant back-up amounts, and an offer increase to £37,000? Right.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:52 
If I hadn't gone already, I'm right out of here now. On a board of this volatility, more than half the mean is something most people ought to take.

And she's out of here, and she winds up taking out what little backup she had. I'd go down... he, of course, goes up. I'm pleasantly surprised it's below £42,000...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:52 
If the banker KNOWS... she has the biggy... then its the biggest fix ever..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:53 
OH DEAR...

Here last two games, 1 of the power five.

She should have gone for it as she said she was a gambler.


Last edited by Mark on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:54, edited 2 times in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:53 
Ahaha... the inflated £37,000 offer doesn't really matter now she has THAT finish!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:53 
Well, aside from setting up something utterly unbelievable at two-box, you're right.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:54 
Where's kb to tell us how long it's been away? It does not look good...

Stats after Round 6
Offer: £96,000
Mean: £125,000.50
Offer %: 76.80%

Board
£1

£250,000


:ponder:


Last edited by Tom22 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:54, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:54 
Its all just a big fix. I ain't watching this game anymore. Its all rigged.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
And sure enough.. nearly £100,000 with a blue in the other box. Even SrWilson would deal that!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
96k lol

even in reality it would have been more than £21,000 she blew it... the box has....


SHE BLEW IT BIG TIME OMG!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

worst bloody game in ages :x


Last edited by lathebault on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
So that's 3 games in a row she had one of the power five.

If only someone reminded her what she had in her last two games then she probably would most likely have won it.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
WHAT A FIDDLE


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
Mark wrote:
Kind of not nice as Saturday £50,000... and Friday £100,000...and then same £100k on Wednesday.


Well that's your theory blown out of the water...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:55 
Proveout Round

13 - £50p Ruth

21 - £3,000 Shaz

10 - £10 Newbie Matty

Banker time with £1 and £250,000 remaining



Banker would have offered

£96,000



Noel opens box 6 and reveals £250,000....

Box 17 Steve containst the £1


Last edited by kestral on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:57, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:56 
russboys747 wrote:
Its all just a big fix. I ain't watching this game anymore. Its all rigged.


:wave:

£250k for £21k is absolutely gutting... but I wouldnt complain about getting £21k for staying in a hotel for a fortnight and playing games all day :P

Still unlucky Kate


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:56 
...not enough backups and not enough Banker meanness for her to take full advantage of having it in her box, but she made sensible decisions at every point and walks away with a very significant sum of money.

I hope she realises that above all else.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:56 
Well shes still got £21,000, yes she could have had the £250k but come on..£21,000! That's a huge amount!!

Kate is a lovely and beautiful girl and I'm sure £21,000 would do a lot for Kate and her family! So congratulations Kate on £21,000!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:57 
Tom22 wrote:
russboys747 wrote:
Its all just a big fix. I ain't watching this game anymore. Its all rigged.


:wave:

£250k for £21k is absolutely gutting... but I wouldnt complain about getting £21k for staying in a hotel for a fortnight and playing games all day :P

Still unlucky Kate


Getting £21,000 along with a monetary loss of £229,000... I think I would pass...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:58 
Mark wrote:
Kind of not nice as Saturday £50,000... and Friday £100,000...and then same £100k on Wednesday.


For goodness sake, as proved today, just because she had big numbers in the past it doesn't mean that she can't have a red the next time. It's 50:50 ok.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:58 
Wow! It was coming given the streak, but it was her decision.

I suspect this thread will now go on and on and Jiveclive will be kicking down some walls and doors now that's happened. :-D


Last edited by travis P on Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:58, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:58 
I feel gutted as well :( That was the only chance to make 2008 the greatest year ever :( Well done on 21k Kate beautiful girl


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:58 
Craig wrote:
Well shes still got £21,000, yes she could have had the £250k but come on..£21,000! That's a huge amount!!


Yes but £250,000 is much a huger amount.

I can't ever see there will be another £250k winner as it took so long for the first one.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 17:59 
lathebault wrote:
Tom22 wrote:
russboys747 wrote:
Its all just a big fix. I ain't watching this game anymore. Its all rigged.


:wave:

£250k for £21k is absolutely gutting... but I wouldnt complain about getting £21k for staying in a hotel for a fortnight and playing games all day :P

Still unlucky Kate


Getting £21,000 along with a monetary loss of £229,000... I think I would pass...


Hah I admire your bravery/stupidity... each to their own though!

(Also I am going to make a stats sheet and save it for tomorrow... :P )


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:00 
KP - I don't belive for a minute she woulda been offered 96K and yes id snap thatup because its ridiculusly good lol.

The offer woulda really been 60 to 70k odd of which I woulda gone on.

As for Katie - IM A GAMBLER lol words fail me..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:00 
And it was a 75% chance she had less in her box, and a 37.5% chance of losing the £250,000 in round 5 for a near-certain OPW (only £35k in the box, or £15k with it at two-box, could deny her that from there). Yes, that's ignoring the fact £250k was there - with good reason. We didn't know it was there when she made her decision.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:01 
I can't believe that the banker would "all of a sudden" come out with a prediction at 8 box (an 8/1 chance of getting it right... yeah right..) of saying it AFTER SHE DEALT just to make some drama for the rest of the game..

..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day.

:roll:


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:01 
I'll say my bit and then stay the hell out of this thread.

I think Kate made entirely sensible decisions all through her game. Unlucky that the £250,000 finally made it to the table, but enjoy the £21,000 Kate.

Still, joint 5th biggest win of the year and another significant payout...

Now I'm going, all I can see coming up are rants from people who are incapable of respecting financial decisions of others they've never even met...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:01 
Tom22 wrote:
lathebault wrote:
Tom22 wrote:
russboys747 wrote:
Its all just a big fix. I ain't watching this game anymore. Its all rigged.


:wave:

£250k for £21k is absolutely gutting... but I wouldnt complain about getting £21k for staying in a hotel for a fortnight and playing games all day :P

Still unlucky Kate


Getting £21,000 along with a monetary loss of £229,000... I think I would pass...


Hah I admire your bravery/stupidity... each to their own though!

(Also I am going to make a stats sheet and save it for tomorrow... :P )

Basically I'd rather have a 50/50 punt at winning something that will change my life forever rather than waste that opportunity and take something that most people could earn as a lump sum in 2 years (if you work that is...)

When I said monetary loss of £229,000 I meant the money she lost on the £250,000 box..


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:04 
russboys747 wrote:
I can't believe that the banker would "all of a sudden" come out with a prediction at 8 box (an 8/1 chance of getting it right... yeah right..) of saying it AFTER SHE DEALT just to make some drama for the rest of the game..

..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day.

:roll:


If i remember correctly the banker has often made predictions about what is in the players boxes whether that is at the start of the show or after they have dealt! So just because he got one right doesnt mean he knows what are in the boxes, all the other times i remember he has been incorrect!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:06 
Rant Below.

Quote:
OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE *beep* DEALT........ ARRRRGH, Okay it's real money, but she said she was a gambler, and I thought she'd have gone for it but ARRRGH she's wound me up now. I was egging her on at that point, but I blame it on her husband. Oh why did she deal? Only an 18% chance of total disater and 82% chance of getting an offer of around £40,000? I'd take it, but she didnt because HER *beep* HUSBAND WAS TRYING TO GET HER TO DEAL AND SUCCEEDED. Eugh, feels like a Donna (2) rip off


Rant over.

Fantastic game, Matty had a lot to say for himself at the third offer, and congratulations on £21,000 Kate!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:07 
russboys747 wrote:
I can't believe that the banker would "all of a sudden" come out with a prediction at 8 box (an 8/1 chance of getting it right... yeah right..) of saying it AFTER SHE DEALT just to make some drama for the rest of the game..


Pedantry: 7/1.

Quote:
..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day.

:roll:


I'm not quite convinced. But nor am I convinced you're wrong.

As for the game at hand, what Lewis said.

Will there be another £250k winner? It needs one of two things; for it to come to the table with a Wakeyist in the chair, or for it to come to the table with someone practically bullied into taking risks (either by the Banker making the risks much smaller, the host making the risks appear to be much smaller, or a combination of both). Simple as that. Will it happen? Who knows.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:07 
russboys747 wrote:
I can't believe that the banker would "all of a sudden" come out with a prediction at 8 box (an 8/1 chance of getting it right... yeah right..) of saying it AFTER SHE DEALT just to make some drama for the rest of the game..

..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day.

:roll:


Argh damn!!

I put my trust into this show! Argh also Ofcom and all those regulatory bodies monitoring all these shows they must also be fooling us. I cannot believe I have been taken for a mug like this! Damn you DOND!!!


Last edited by Tom22 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:09, edited 1 time in total.

  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:07 
Well done Kate on 21k, and taking defeat really graciously

But the only gripe I have is that never in a million years would the banker have offered 96k if she had still been in play, VERY inflated offer in my opinion

Laura (she who must not be mentioned) got a lot less than that and she had 3k and £250k left in play and she was still in active play


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:09 
Mark wrote:
Kind of not nice as Saturday £50,000... and Friday £100,000...and then same £100k on Wednesday.


Mark wrote:
So that's 3 games in a row she had one of the power five.
If only someone reminded her what she had in her last two games then she probably would most likely have won it.


Hang on, you can't have it both ways. Saying at the start of the game, "She had big amounts in the last games, so she'll think she's got a small amount", and then say, "She had big amounts in the last games, so she should have thought she'd have a big amount again." The amount in your box is a 1/22 chance every game, and that's that.

I was 50:50 on that £21k offer. On a day when I felt luck was with me, I might have carried on, and maybe got a £26k offer in active play (if that), which I would have taken.

Thing is with games like this where the Banker boosts his proveout offers so much, it becomes harder to say what would have really happened. With those offers, if she'd turned down £21k, she would have taken £37k; if she'd turned that down, she would have taken £96k. In reality, if she'd turned down £21k, who knows what the offers would have been or how she would have played?


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:11 
I think he means 'oh rubbish, she'll think 'if I'd played earlier...' with that first bit. But you are absolutely right to criticise his assumption it means a thing.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:12 
Mark wrote:
So that's 3 games in a row she had one of the power five.

If only someone reminded her what she had in her last two games then she probably would most likely have won it.


So does having big amounts in immediately preceding games increase the chance it'll be there again, or decrease it? Help me out here Mark, because I'm a little unsure of the logic you're using...

jiveclive wrote:
That was the only chance to make 2008 the greatest year ever


There'll be another chance tomorrow. And again the next day. And again the day after that. (Etc. etc. etc.)

Lewis246 wrote:
I'll say my bit and then stay the hell out of this thread.

I think Kate made entirely sensible decisions all through her game. Unlucky that the £250,000 finally made it to the table, but enjoy the £21,000 Kate.

Still, joint 5th biggest win of the year and another significant payout...

Now I'm going, all I can see coming up are rants from people who are incapable of respecting financial decisions of others they've never even met...

I absolutely agree with you, Lewis. I actually already knew that Kate took the £250k to the table, since it was mentioned in the preamble to one or two of the upcoming games which I was a pilgrim for. I've been half-dreading it being broadcast because of the negative reaction I knew she was going to get here...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:13 
Craig wrote:
russboys747 wrote:
I can't believe that the banker would "all of a sudden" come out with a prediction at 8 box (an 8/1 chance of getting it right... yeah right..) of saying it AFTER SHE DEALT just to make some drama for the rest of the game..

..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day.

:roll:


If i remember correctly the banker has often made predictions about what is in the players boxes whether that is at the start of the show or after they have dealt! So just because he got one right doesnt mean he knows what are in the boxes, all the other times i remember he has been incorrect!


Yes, but he has never said "..I have never been MORE convinced.." I believe I am right. So each to their own. I am just a sad conspiracy theorist! lol.

Oh well.. rant over. Apologies to anyone that I may have offended through this thread..

;)


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:16 
Aaron Brock wrote:
Rant Below.

Quote:
OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE *beep* DEALT........ ARRRRGH, Okay it's real money, but she said she was a gambler, and I thought she'd have gone for it but ARRRGH she's wound me up now. I was egging her on at that point, but I blame it on her husband. Oh why did she deal? Only an 18% chance of total disater and 82% chance of getting an offer of around £40,000? I'd take it, but she didnt because HER *beep* HUSBAND WAS TRYING TO GET HER TO DEAL AND SUCCEEDED. Eugh, feels like a Donna (2) rip off


Rant over.

Fantastic game, Matty had a lot to say for himself at the third offer, and congratulations on £21,000 Kate!


That rant is more reasonable than some of the posts on this thread.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:18 
This thread is going to run for ages with the same thing being said over and over again isnt it! I can just see it happening!

Anyways, once again Congradulations Kate on £21,000!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:21 
lathebault wrote:
Aaron Brock wrote:
Rant Below.

Quote:
OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE SHE *beep* DEALT........ ARRRRGH, Okay it's real money, but she said she was a gambler, and I thought she'd have gone for it but ARRRGH she's wound me up now. I was egging her on at that point, but I blame it on her husband. Oh why did she deal? Only an 18% chance of total disater and 82% chance of getting an offer of around £40,000? I'd take it, but she didnt because HER *beep* HUSBAND WAS TRYING TO GET HER TO DEAL AND SUCCEEDED. Eugh, feels like a Donna (2) rip off


Rant over.

Fantastic game, Matty had a lot to say for himself at the third offer, and congratulations on £21,000 Kate!


That rant is more reasonable than some of the posts on this thread.


I was really convinced she'd go one more. I'd have been happy for her to go just one more and be able to accept it.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:22 
Craig wrote:
This thread is going to run for ages with the same thing being said over and over again isnt it! I can just see it happening!

Anyways, once again Congradulations Kate on £21,000!


And the games we watch are basically the same thing over and over again and hence boredom in viewers and those viewers getting more and more pissed off....

except today we had the 250k box which was some entertainment with the tension of that opening. :shock:


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:28 
This is the last time I'm going to write anything like this on a 'Today's Show' thread.

She said she was a gambler, but, as many contestants have said it all changes in the chair. Therefore don't critisize someone for dealing and winning real money when you haven't even been in the chair yourselves. £21,000 right infront of you for you right now. Many people haven't simply been offered that much. It really upsets me when people on here get angry and annoyed when a contestant deals yet they haven't been in that situation.

RANT OVER.

Well done Kate! Enjoy £21,000 :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:30 
I just came back and when I saw 5 pages of this, I knew something had happened :?

So the QM finally comes to the table, but Kate is the 21st player who blew the chance :(

Ah well, at least she got £21K out of it :-)


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:32 
lathebault wrote:
And the games we watch are basically the same thing over and over again and hence boredom in viewers and those viewers getting more and more *beep* off....


Are they? I see the minority who would rather open their box and take a 25% chance to win something above £20,000 are annoyed. However, the majority of watchers and the general viewer aren't. Simply that tomorrow is another day, another contestant, another game.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:35 
cookie_monster wrote:
This is the last time I'm going to write anything like this on a 'Today's Show' thread.

She said she was a gambler, but, as many contestants have said it all changes in the chair. Therefore don't critisize someone for dealing and winning real money when you haven't even been in the chair yourselves. £21,000 right infront of you for you right now. Many people haven't simply been offered that much. It really upsets me when people on here get angry and annoyed when a contestant deals yet they haven't been in that situation.

RANT OVER.

Well done Kate! Enjoy £21,000 :-D


Well said. I'm becoming more convinced that contestants who have appeared in recent weeks and months are advoiding registering or even posting on this website with certain comments that are being posted on certain threads.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:44 
KP wrote:
Will there be another £250k winner?


I think people are missing the point regarding the word "patience", unlike Millionaire where the top prize can be won with the next contestant a game featuring a random system takes time.

The Aussies have proved that. The first person to win $200K (on a similar board structure) was back in June 2004 but it didn't take the show until September 2007 for a celebrity (playing for a home viewer) to win the top prize. Their show has recently returned for another season and is set to celebrate five years on air this summer. Comes to show people are still watching it regardless how many top prizes have been given away.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:46 
Very true. Although we rather play up the top prize and the gambling element more, Australia as a whole is a very gambling-friendly country, far more than the UK, if any country is going to be impatient at caution it's going to be Australia!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 18:56 
Why is it that if a person says they are a gambler, they have to get to five-box at the very least to be believed? Kate said she was a gambler, she probably is, OK, she didn't take a massive gamble in the game but she just never gambled with that amount of money before, and clearly on this occasion, she didn't want to. I

In this game, in my opinion, rejecting even the first offer is a gamble as it could turn out to be your highest (witness Debbie last week)

I'm a gambler, I play scratchcards, I play football coupons, I occasionally play the lottery, but I could probably name only a dozen games at most of DOND that I'd have gone to the end in. (though in 90% of blue wins I'd have taken a comedy deal)

I go at 5-box 85% of the time. I could name numerous occasions where I'd go at the fourth offer. Does that mean I'd be a liar if I got on and said I was a gambler?


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:17 
wokoman88 wrote:
Why is it that if a person says they are a gambler, they have to get to five-box at the very least to be believed? Kate said she was a gambler, she probably is, OK, she didn't take a massive gamble in the game but she just never gambled with that amount of money before, and clearly on this occasion, she didn't want to. I

In this game, in my opinion, rejecting even the first offer is a gamble as it could turn out to be your highest (witness Debbie last week)

I'm a gambler, I play scratchcards, I play football coupons, I occasionally play the lottery, but I could probably name only a dozen games at most of DOND that I'd have gone to the end in. (though in 90% of blue wins I'd have taken a comedy deal)

I go at 5-box 85% of the time. I could name numerous occasions where I'd go at the fourth offer. Does that mean I'd be a liar if I got on and said I was a gambler?


But playing DOND and saying you are a gambler intends you are going to take a decent risk. She had one staring her in the face and a player who kept everything quiet or admitted they weren't a gambler would have taken 21k which would have been more reasonable (still boring though)


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:18 
wokoman88 wrote:
Why is it that if a person says they are a gambler, they have to get to five-box at the very least to be believed? Kate said she was a gambler, she probably is, OK, she didn't take a massive gamble in the game but she just never gambled with that amount of money before, and clearly on this occasion, she didn't want to. I

In this game, in my opinion, rejecting even the first offer is a gamble as it could turn out to be your highest (witness Debbie last week)

I'm a gambler, I play scratchcards, I play football coupons, I occasionally play the lottery, but I could probably name only a dozen games at most of DOND that I'd have gone to the end in. (though in 90% of blue wins I'd have taken a comedy deal)

I go at 5-box 85% of the time. I could name numerous occasions where I'd go at the fourth offer. Does that mean I'd be a liar if I got on and said I was a gambler?


But playing DOND and saying you are a gambler intends you are going to take a decent risk. She had one staring her in the face and a player who kept everything quiet or admitted they weren't a gambler would have taken 21k which would have been more reasonable (still boring though)


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 19:57 
...and not necessarily received an offer of £21k. Witness Woodsy getting £16k with £100k instead of £35k not so long ago on an otherwise near-identical board!!

To be the exact opposite of wokoman88... I'm not a gambler. I don't ever play the lottery, I don't ever play scratchcards, I've never played football coupons, I've put my loose change on sporting bets sometimes (usually against English competitors in international competition, as all the money floods their way thus distorting the odds), but I can name any number of games of DoND in which I'd have gone to the end.

And quite a lot in which I'd have gone before the second adbreak but I digress.

This kind of gambling - positive expected value, but with an immediate risk usually in five figures - is very different to the small-scale negative-expectation gambles wokoman88 describes. I avoid the latter like the plague. The former, that's another matter; I'm still no gambler, goodness knows that's well-known here, but there are plenty of risks I'd take that quite a few lottery players wouldn't.

My mum always thought I was a risk-taker in the domain of DoND, and the rest of my family seem to be more cautious than I am... and yet they all play the lottery and have probably lost hundreds of pounds on it (though Mum's on a winning streak in the Irish Lottery online), whereas I have never bought a lottery ticket and never will.

Different sorts of gambles, different perceptions of money.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:00 
kestral wrote:
It was 3 reds says Noel, but not the big one...

Banker would have offered...

£37,500


It would have been interesting seeing the offer in real game play. Don't seriously think the banker would have offered £37,500 with three blues on the table despite the £250k still being there.

Well done on your £21k Kate although what it could have been!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:05 
You know, having thought about it, the Banker's Gamble ('Undeal'/'Second Chance') would have worked well at five-box!

Board evolves without becoming clearly stronger or weaker, contestant claims gambling instincts... that would have been interesting, especially given that she had the £250k...!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:09 
KP wrote:
You know, having thought about it, the Banker's Gamble ('Undeal'/'Second Chance') would have worked well at five-box!

Board evolves without becoming clearly stronger or weaker, contestant claims gambling instincts... that would have been interesting, especially given that she had the £250k...!


At 5 box there was only 1 box higher however I belive a 60% chance of a higher offer? The p layer would have thought more of the former and hence kept the 21k I feel.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:11 
It would have been difficult for most people to have won £250,000 today.

The £37,500 proveout (given this was authentic, else there's no point in analysing the proveout!!!) would have had any self-respectful player in the studio, taken it!!!

The last offer - wow! Inflated for definite. And even THEN everyone would have dealt!

So no point in saying she blew £250,000 - surely it is more a case of she blew £96,000!!! ;)

It was a great feel-good game, good on her to still win a great amount of money!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:13 
Bing - bong - bong... here is the clock. The Trumpton clock. Telling the time steadily, sensibly, never too quickly, never too slowly, telling the time for Trumpton.

Why did I write that in this thread? I was watching some YouTube clips of Life on Mars this morning, and came across the one where Gene Hunt and Sam Tyler are immortalised in Camberwick Green, and it reminded me of Trumpton - the opening titles of which I found on YouTube.

Now that random outburst is about as much use as saying what the player had in their previous x number of games... because it's a random game. It's also as much use as it is moaning about a deal after it's been done. Yes we're in a dealers phase at the moment... but nothing can be done about it. As Travis said, you just have to "sit it out". For every January 2007 (an era of Power 5 boxes on the table) and August 2007 (an era of OPWs), there's going to be a January 2008 (an era of low money on the table) and February 2008 (an era of dealers). It's just unfortunate that bad luck and early deals have coincided with each other here.

Today's show wasn't bad and the deal was totally justifiable. It's bad luck she had £250k in her box. That's all that can be said really... she did say she was a gambler and it got her a good 8-box offer which she dealt. I can't see anything wrong with a player doing their best to get more money out of the game. I believe the aim of DOND is to try and maximise your winnings, and if a player believes that to be by saying they're a gambler to boost their offers, then fair enough, as it's a psychological game (partly)...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:22 
Well I recorded that game becuase I read (from sarah) in the spoilers section that it was going to be worth watching. Now it's getting recorded straight over with tomorrow's game becuase it was just about a parody of all the worst aspects of DOND all put together.

The banker phoning up just after she dealt saying he knew she had the 250k. Why would he do that? Would he honestly have done it if she'd ended up having 50p or £1 or whatever other blue was left? It looked for the world like the independent adjudicator had had a word in the banker's ear just after she said DEAL.

The proveout offers. Sorry, they would NOT have been £37,500 and £96,000! £37,500 would even have been inflated if MJ was playing. I believe that it's totally justified for the banker to put the proveout offer up loads after what would have been a great round, and down after what would have been a terrible round, but not nearly double it after all the safety nets disappearing. He would have played on that totally in active play, and she'd have been lucky to get half what the proveout offer was.

And then coming on here, you'd think Kate had killed someone. If I was her, I'd be telling some of you (you know who...) where they can shove it.

It wasn't even a poor offer! Donna was offered the same with 100k there instead of the 35k!! And 1p Katie was only offer a couple of grand more with 100k AND 50k AND 20k there instead of 35k and 15k! I remember Adie had almost the exact board and offer and ended up taking 3k was it? It just so happens that too many times the 250k has been at the table and been basically the only thing holding the offers up when the player has dealt - If she'd hit it in the next 3 (a 62.5% chance, not 82%!), then she'd have needed to keep all the other reds to even get an offer in the high 4-figures!

I bet a lot of people would have preferred her to win £1. :(


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:45 
Ooops! What a disaster! :shock: No wonder she said she was gutted!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:51 
Big-Davey wrote:
It would have been difficult for most people to have won £250,000 today.

The £37,500 proveout (given this was authentic, else there's no point in analysing the proveout!!!) would have had any self-respectful player in the studio, taken it!!!

The last offer - wow! Inflated for definite. And even THEN everyone would have dealt!

So no point in saying she blew £250,000 - surely it is more a case of she blew £96,000!!! ;)

It was a great feel-good game, good on her to still win a great amount of money!

Hardly a great feel good game, which ever way you look at it she sold the £250,000 for just £21,000.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 20:54 
James1978 wrote:
The banker phoning up just after she dealt saying he knew she had the 250k. Why would he do that?


We know he tends to make the odd prediction with him getting it right or wrong sometimes. I am wondering whether he knew about the number of games the big one failed to reach the table in the "random choice" format (excluding the "free choice" format that is the Christmas Star shows). It's worth pointing out that unlike 2006, nobody on the show whether it's Noel or The Banker were keeping count.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 21:17 
Katie took a sensible deal, maybe she should of risked it and gone on at least one more round (and with hindsight she should of) but the game could of easily gone the exact opposite way. If Katie had found the £250,000 she would of ended up chasing the money and would of struggled to get back to an offer of over £20,000, in fact she would of had to have kept both £15,000 & £35,000 at 2-box to get a higher offer.

Of course we would all like to see players go home with the maximum from their games and of course so would the players. But with a random game like this it's totally unpredictable and as such turning down any offer is taking a risk. £21,000 is a lot of money and whilst it may not be life changing for one person it could easily be for someone else depending on their personal circumstances.
At the end of the day (I hate that phrase, but oh well) I watch DOND to be entertained and hopefully see people win lots of money, however for me it's not just about how much money someone wins, it's also how fun & entertaining the show can be in between all the offers and box openings that makes me want to watch. I enjoy seeing the wing banter, the Banker making some kind of joke or revealing what things happen at the hotel or something just completely random etc...If and when someone wins something really big, whilst it will be exciting to see, it doesn't nesscarily mean it will be a fun show and at the end of the day (there's that phrase again) DOND is meant to be a light-hearted entertainment gameshow and as such should never be taken too seriously, because no matter how much the contestant wins it's not going to change our lives.

I was originally just going to write a couple of lines about today's show (and I bet you wish I had), but there you go.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 22:06 
Oh god. As soon as that £250k was revealed, i knew this form of reaction would be on here.

Anyway, Kate was lovely, a really nice woman who deserved the £21k she got.

So now on to the slight argument:

Yes, she could have won £250,000. But that would have involved taking the greatest risk and potentially ending up with a pound. To turn down £96,000 would have been foolish in my view. And i don't care if people call her a coward or whatever, she played the game well. I would have done exactly the same.
The trouble is if this is the reaction if someones game doesn't go well, then i hope Sarah has an awesome game...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 22:37 
Tom wrote:
Yes, she could have won £250,000. But that would have involved taking the greatest risk and potentially ending up with a pound. To turn down £96,000 would have been foolish in my view. And i don't care if people call her a coward or whatever, she played the game well. I would have done exactly the same.
The trouble is if this is the reaction if someones game doesn't go well, then i hope Sarah has an awesome game...


Well said Tom.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 01:00 
Crikey, you'd have thought a World War had broken out judging by some of the comments on here today!

Ok, so she had £250k in the box. Who cares. There was never any realistic chance of winning it if you were any sane human being (she'd have literally had to put a house on it being there at the end!). So, she said she was a gambler - hardly revelation of the century in a game where that is the central premise. Every time you turn down an offer, you are risking money that could easily be yours if you utter the first word of the title. Some people seem to forget sometimes that contestants are being offered REAL money here - this is not some DVD game, you know. Their decisions, and the consequences of their decisions, may affect the rest of their lives.

As others have said, the offer wasn't poor at all when compared to other boards we have seen (and even if it was sub-standard, if the money is meaningful and life-enhancing for them, they should be entitled to take it without apocalyptic backlash). The board was dangerous, and if the £250k goes, you are chasing the game with a few low blues still there. Comments on here seem to be increasingly based on hindsight, as if we've seen the £250k revealed and are then rewinding to the offers.

Walking away from a £250k board sometimes takes just as much courage as carrying on, I think, and I admire contestants who don't get carried away to making reckless decisions (and although no-dealing £21k wouldn't have been reckless, much higher would have been IMO).

Proveout offers don't help matters. I sometimes think that % of means should be displayed, so that the audience, contestants (and Noel) can see how utterly ridiculous they are. Punishing an early deal of over 50% of the mean on a dangerous board with nonsense offers is not clever, it's about time the banker played fair in these situations. Don't know what to make of the box prediction, but I'm fairly certain he just got lucky.

Anyway, rant over, I congratulate Kate for making a perfectly justifiable decision at 8-box, and if you are reading some of the derrogatory comments on here, just ignore them, and remember unlike most of them, you are £21,000 richer from the experience, you played a great game!


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 02:21 
This was an enjoyable game to begin with, until Kate asked the audience to stand up if they would deal, and hubby stood up, you could see in her face straight away she was going to deal. So much for her being a gambler, and her relatives being even worse than her. I would have gone on at the point, standing to win £229,000 best-case scenario, or lose £21,000 worst-case. Though like most I would have dealt the £96,000 if it was really offered in live play. I was glad the cameras kept on hubby as the prove-out unfolded, particularly when he mouthed 'no way' when the bankers prediction was repeated at 5 box.

As for the bankers prediction, I smell a rat like many others, we sat here after he called back and both said 'If there is £250,000 in that box - then its just too suspicious'. I still have faith in the integrity of DOND. But I now suspect that once the player had dealt the banker can be told the contents of the unopened boxes.

I think Kates initial portrayal of herself as being a gambler was just a bluff designed to get higher offers.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 05:41 
The curse of box 6 strikes again.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 09:39 
James1978 wrote:
The banker phoning up just after she dealt saying he knew she had the 250k. Why would he do that?

I think the main reason the banker is doing this, is it gives him a valid excuse for making inflated prove-out offers, as he can say he knew the big money was in the box and hence had to make large offers to try and get the player out of the chair. If he carried on the game as he probably would have done in "live" game-play, it wouldn't have the same dramatic effect and allow Noel to go into overdrive with his reactions to the offers/boxes of how the contestant has "Blown it"!

Of course it can backfire on him if a small amount is revealed in the box at the end, but the dramatic effect of rubbing in how much a contestant could have theoretically walked away with is still imprinted on everyone's mind, and Noel can still go on his "guilt trip" of how much was blown!


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:21 
kestral wrote:
James1978 wrote:
The banker phoning up just after she dealt saying he knew she had the 250k. Why would he do that?


Of course it can backfire on him if a small amount is revealed in the box at the end, but the dramatic effect of rubbing in how much a contestant could have theoretically walked away with is still imprinted on everyone's mind, and Noel can still go on his "guilt trip" of how much was blown!



Also... to all the X-File JFK theorists out there: no, the Banker was not on the Grassy Knoll -- please remember that this show is edited by the production team IN HINDSIGHT.

Usually, it seems that the contestants' & Banker's box predictions only appear on the show when they're either spectacularly RIGHT or spectacularly WRONG. Otherwise, they're left on the cutting room floor.

Having said that, I'm dreading the start of Tuesday's prog as Noel will be going on & on & on & on & on about the Banker's new "psychic" abilities.

As for Kate's game, I was gutted with the outcome too, cos Kate is one of the most attractive female contestants ever, and therefore one of the most worthy of winning the 1/4 mil. (Said with no trace of irony there...)

Statistically, it should be Steve playing on my b'day (it'll be his 22nd show), and he's one of the luckiest players ever, cos he got to stand between Kate & Sarah for all those games!


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:53 
at the end of the of the day there's different ways to play the game hence the different opinions on here and perhaps the QM coming to the table is a good thing as it might encourage more gambling especially on good boards.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 13:19 
For a minute yesterday I thought Nan had returned to play :D

After Nicola had opened box 15 which had £100,000, Noel made the same kind of noise that Nan does :D


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 13:50 
Rich D wrote:
Usually, it seems that the contestants' & Banker's box predictions only appear on the show when they're either spectacularly RIGHT or spectacularly WRONG. Otherwise, they're left on the cutting room floor.


Very good point...

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Having said that, I'm dreading the start of Tuesday's prog as Noel will be going on & on & on & on & on about the Banker's new "psychic" abilities.


...and as you quite rightly point out there, it's all to create a crazy narrative structure when the game can be quite compelling enough anyway. Does it add something to the show? Yes. Is it unequivocally positive? No.

Anyway. I love StatsMan's remarks, and kestral is bang on with the Banker facilitating Noel's guilt trips. Since when did the host become the Banker's ally and not the player's?


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 13:52 
Noel Did you get that shirt from debenhams Derek?
Derek reluctantly yes


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 17:29 
StatsMan wrote:
Crikey, you'd have thought a World War had broken out judging by some of the comments on here today!

Ok, so she had £250k in the box. Who cares. There was never any realistic chance of winning it if you were any sane human being (she'd have literally had to put a house on it being there at the end!). So, she said she was a gambler - hardly revelation of the century in a game where that is the central premise. Every time you turn down an offer, you are risking money that could easily be yours if you utter the first word of the title. Some people seem to forget sometimes that contestants are being offered REAL money here - this is not some DVD game, you know. Their decisions, and the consequences of their decisions, may affect the rest of their lives.


I care. She should care. She blew the TOP PRIZE! I don't care if they are being offered real money.. every amount on the board is real money. 1p isn't much but it's real money. i'm the viewer so I expect a good game and so far a chain of deals aren't good. At all!

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As others have said, the offer wasn't poor at all when compared to other boards we have seen (and even if it was sub-standard, if the money is meaningful and life-enhancing for them, they should be entitled to take it without apocalyptic backlash). The board was dangerous, and if the £250k goes, you are chasing the game with a few low blues still there. Comments on here seem to be increasingly based on hindsight, as if we've seen the £250k revealed and are then rewinding to the offers.


She blew the £250,000 whatever way you look at it. Yeah at the time she didn't know she had it but it was still on the board and easily available for win if she carried on and kept it. Losing it wouldn't have been disasterous as there were other reds left. Odds on she was going to keep it anyway, I think.

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Proveout offers don't help matters. I sometimes think that % of means should be displayed, so that the audience, contestants (and Noel) can see how utterly ridiculous they are. Punishing an early deal of over 50% of the mean on a dangerous board with nonsense offers is not clever, it's about time the banker played fair in these situations. Don't know what to make of the box prediction, but I'm fairly certain he just got lucky.


I like inflated proveout offers, it encourages proper gambling which we have seen none off since... well... Orry? Adding a % meter wouldn't be right really.

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you are £21,000 richer from the experience, you played a great game!


WTF??? I've never seen anything so ridiculous on here in ages. She played a rubbish game as she sold £250,000 for much much less! She came out with £21,000 but on the flipside she sold 250k. It's like you're forgetting the other half of the game after the deal. The whole idea of the banker buying the box and you 'managing the sale' The banker bought the box off her for £21,000 and that box was WORTH £250,000 therefore he made a profit on the box of £229,000 which she could have had - perhaps in reality playing on with those proveout offers she would have dealt before but whichever way you look at it she sold HER £250,000 box for £21,000. It's a monetary loss of £229,000 which was there for her to take but she didn't. Therefore she lost that opportunity.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 18:50 
[quote="russboys747"] :D

..don't believe a SINGLE word of it. The banker knows, and I think Noel knows sometimes too - he creates bits of drama sometimes, like "No.. if THIS is the 250k... Ohhhh it's the newbie.. its the curse" or "Why are you going with this box? Its unlucky.. " and then "I tried to warn you" after it was the biggy.. Hmmm the game is rigged left right and centre.

And today just confirms it clear as day. :D Hi Russboys - have been a contestant, last September llth and can asure you, all the numbers are picked totally at random and nobody, yes nobody, knows what number they are going to get, not even Noel or the Banker and, nothing is rigged. Thank you and goodnight 8)

:roll:[/quote]


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 22:46 
I feel quite bad for Kate, but the minute she saw her family stand up when she asked who would deal, she knew she had to deal.

Notice at the end when the 250K was revealed she immediately turned to her family as if to say "I told you so"...

Sometimes you have to be true to yourself, and I think that here was the flaw in her game. I think if it wasn't for her family, she would have gone on.

Still, not lifechanging money but a good chunk of change nonetheless...

(edited because I'm a product of public skools and cant spel.)


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 23:07 
lathebault wrote:
I like inflated proveout offers, it encourages proper gambling which we have seen none off since... well... Orry? Adding a % meter wouldn't be right really.


Well having a percentage meter would highlight when they were inflated - so if they were inflated, no-one would believe them. So I suppose no dealers wouldn't want such a meter...

Anyway, we haven't had many gamblers recently, but I think Adie was a bit of one. Plus some players have been gamblers such as Kenny, but the big money was never available to them.


  
 
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