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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:15 
Mark's game today.

Another week at the Dream Factory and Noel wonders what systems we will see this week, as we had a few last week, but Noel says he is yet to see one that has worked...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:17 
This is a bit like the Saturday morning BBC 2 "See Hear!" shows. :P Certainly a different show.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:19 
A shocked Mark has box 4 today. Mark is a part-time sign language teacher and lecturer and he actually taught Barbera how to sign, and she has been with his for 5 years... Mark tells us how he has been deaf from birth and has had great support from his mum and dad who are both in the audience for support today.

Mark has some pics for us to look at, and Noel asks if it's his grandson, and Mark asks how old does he think he is!! :-D It's his mum's picture of his son, and she wrote that on the back :-D

Mark thinks he will have a good relationship with the banker, and says he is lucky as he can't hear what the banker says :-D

Here we go...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:22 
I just love the accent of Mark's assistant.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:22 
Haha, anyone tuning in late or channel hopping and seeing the contestants waving their hands around after every box will think there's something dodgy in the water....

Oh and Reg looks like a legend already (or a Regend) - he reminds me of Roy Hudd.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:23 
Round 1

Mark asks for as much noise as possible from the pilgrims today... He tells the contestants not to clap, but to wave as that is the signing for clapping...

3 - £10,000 Ferno

5 - £1 Ben

Mark has noticed that Laura has always been kept til late in the games, so he is picking her now

8 - £750 Laura

1 - £20,000 Woodsy

2 - £10 Simon

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:25 
It's very neat and balanced now says Noel... The banker has a little something for Mark, and it's a video message for him!! A video appears on the gameboard, and it's a shot of the banker's hands and he is signing a message to Mark, and he tells him to keep it secret :-D Noel thinks that he has sussed the message, and Mark tells him that the banker thinks that Noel wears a wig :lol:


Banker offers

£11,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:26 
Mark says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:27 
Next round

11 - £5,000 John

12 - £50 Bing


Mark wants to think about the next box and asks for a break.... Noel gets him to tell us why we should come back...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:27 
This is shaping up to be a strong board.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:32 
We're back
Last box before the banker...

13 - 10p Shaun

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:33 
The banker says he is not comfortable with the way the game is going...

Banker offers

£18,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:34 
Noel goes over to the gameboard to show us why the offer is so good... Mark works out some stats for his game, and totally loses his signer Barbera :-D

Mark says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:35 
Next round

9 - £1,000 Audrey

10 - £100 Angie

This is amazing says Noel, incredible game...

6 - £100,000 Semi (thanks CM ;) )

Banker time


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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:35 
Quote:
Noel goes over to the gameboard to show us why the offer is so good... Mark works out some stats for his game, and totally loses his signer


That sounds fabulous :D

Just like the gameboard really!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:35 
It's still good says Noel.... The banker has had enough and wants Mark out of here...

Banker offers

£20,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:36 
kestral wrote:

6 - £100,000 John


Don't you mean Semi?


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:36 
Oh. Well the £100,000 is probably little more than a dose of reality at this point, the board reminds me of (though isn't quite as good as) that of Matt who played the day before Lance and had the first ever all-red squashdown... in proveout... but got the OPW!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:36 
Despite the £100k going that is still a strong board. £20k is a good offer but there are 4 higher on the board.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:36 
Noel goes to mum and dad for their thoughts.... Mark says he is working out the odds and percentages for his game....

Mark says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:37 
Good on Mark for playing the mathematical game. That's two contestants with sensory impairments who have done that - and the first got an eight-box OPW... another one today?


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:38 
Next round

Mel gives us a little sign language, and it's the one for donkey :lol:

16 - £35,000 Mel

19 - £250,000 :( Sue

Deary Deary me says Noel, and he asks Mark if he would like a break, and he would...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:39 
Oh.

It won't be an eight-box OPW, and may yet be a third-offer peak...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:40 
Oh my :shock:

We have never had a contestant that has taken all the power 5 out in 5 boxes, and I hope Mark isn't going to. It was such a strong game :(


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:41 
cookie_monster wrote:
We have never had a contestant that has taken all the power 5 out in 5 boxes


We have; Ottis did.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:43 
We're back
Last box before the banker...

It's a critical moment now says Noel...

17 - £50,000 Newbie Reg

Curse of the newbie says Noel

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:44 
This is a spectacular turnaround says the banker...

Banker offers

£4,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:44 
That is a massive crash says Noel, but Mark says there are more blues than reds to hit now....

Mark says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:45 
I hope he either takes out £75k now and recovers to £15k, or wins £75k...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:45 
well this has been spectacular if nothing else


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:45 
kestral wrote:
That is a massive crash says Noel, but Mark says there are more blues than reds to hit now....


And the analyst just fell right into the logical trap.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:45 
Wow. What a turnaround. He might have to go to the end to get something decent out of this now .....


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:45 
daniel4389 wrote:
cookie_monster wrote:
We have never had a contestant that has taken all the power 5 out in 5 boxes


We have; Ottis did.


Oh yes! I forgot about him!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:46 
Next round

20 - £3,000 Dot

14 - £250 Nikki

Find the 1p goes Noel

21 - £15,000 Geoff

Banker time


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:47 
This game has a feel of Saturday says Noel, as the £75,000 is left exposed... The banker says Goodbye Mark, and it's the same offer that Claire left with...


Banker offers

£6,500


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:47 
Eh... I've not a clue. I suspect I'll go on. And he will go on thinking it's under half the mean, I reckon.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:48 
Noel goes to Mark's dad, who thinks that Mark will go for it... Everyone says they don't want to see Mark go home with a blue...


Mark says

NO DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:48 
I really hope he doesn't have a trainwreck.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:48 
oh no...please an all blue round..please!!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:49 
I think the offer is poor and it is a hell of a risk to go for it.

But I'd go for it.

And so has he and at least he he's gone into this with eyes open.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:49 
basicasic wrote:
at least he he's gone into this with eyes open.


And quite honestly, I think that's all you can ask for.

The only bad decision on DoND is an ill-considered decision.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:51 
Noel is shocked by Mark's decsison...

Everything has to be blue now says Noel

Next round

15 - 50p Nic

Mark asks Richie what he had last time, and he says he has had all horrible ones so far!!

18 - 1p :D Richie

One to go says Noel

7 - £5 :D Adie

Banker time with £500 and £75,000 remaining


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:51 
Brilliant!!!!

Courage rewarded. :D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:51 
OMG!!!!!!!!!!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:51 
Well that worked out.

Now. Mathematician in the chair, who's already taken a 60% chance. Now it's 50-50. He'll probably offer £20,000, but I think he needs to go to £26,500. I would.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:52 
The perfect round :D

WOW says Noel, and he wonders what is going to happen now....

The banker appears on the gameboard waving a white flag :lol:

Banker offers

£30,000


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:52 
Wow. With that board I'd like to see an offer of atleast £27,500.

On mad Paul's board, the banker offered £32,000 with £1 and £75,000 in play.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:52 
hope he's rewarded with a decent offer...

And he has been. Stone wall deal


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:54 
If he turns that down he deserves to crash. That is an insanely generous offer.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:54 
Interesting that Noel said almost everyone in the room wanted Mark to deal £6,500... he normally says how almost everyone in the room wanted people to NO DEAL!

That is a brilliant offer when you think we've been getting sub £20k offers on blue vs £75k boards recently.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:54 
Noel goes for a sweep and everyone asks Mark to deal... Everyone in the audience says deal as well, and Mark does a chicken impression to them :P He tells us that he would like to go all the way, and he tells Noel that 4 is his birthday...

Mark says

DEAL


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:54 
Oh thank God for that... I was worried he'd no deal and win £500...


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:55 
Thank god for that, I thought he was going to No Deal!! x x


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:56 
Is everyone relieved at that says Noel :P

Noel opens box 4 and reveals £500 :D

Box 22 - Viv contains the £75,000


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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:56 
Yes!!! And yet another OPW by dealing - I think that's the third in a week after having none since November. And almost at Power 5 levels too!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:56 
When I read about the chicken impression I thought 'oh *beep*, he's actually a Wakey'. Especially mentioning 4!!!!

He's not, he's sensible. Thank goodness!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:56 
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh What a great game!!!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 17:56 
I was hoping he'd no-deal and win the £75k :P

Good job he didn't :shock:


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:00 
That was an amazing game well done Mark!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:03 
Wow, i am shattered after that game, i was sooo happy, relieved, excited after that last blue went in the last round. I was sooo wanting him to deal the £30,000, it would have been heart-breaking if he went away with the £500.

I liked the way they put that extra sound effect again at the point Noel opened the box, i like it when that is added on.

Loved the show and one of my favs, Mark and barbara were brilliant. Well Done Mark on a brilliant £30,000 win!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:06 
Excellent game! DEFINITELY the second best January 2008 show! Well, Clive's game cannot be topped! :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:08 
On the year anniversary of a board analyser - Ryan - we get another contestant who appears to be one, and gets an OPW like Ryan! Board analysers (and indeed OPWs until a week ago) a rare thing nowadays but it's certainly interesting when we do get one. It's apparently one of the most depressing days of the year due to Christmas debts, the weather and so on - but it certainly wasn't a depressing game for DOND.

I knew Mark's game would be unusual and indeed it was - but in a good way. Some good banter between Noel and the banker, what with the banker saying Noel wore a wig and so on. Newbie Reg already seems great and is instantly one of my favourites at the moment... January 2008 is continuing with its strength, let's hope it can make it to the 31st and still be just as good!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:17 
Brilliant show. That's how DOND should be played. It had a bit of everything:

A genuinely decent and happy-faced contestant
Lots of banter and laughs
Analysis of the board and odds
A risky gamble
Tension and excitement
A deal
A big win
A feel-good finish.

It also demonstrates how if the Banker perceives you to be a bit of a gambler, like Mark today and MJ last week then you can extract some big offers out of him.

I don't think there can be anybody that would be dissatisfied with that as 45 minutes worth of entertainment. Well played Mark.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:23 
I thought that was a fantastic game and it was a good to see howwell supported deaf people are in this country. In my game in November I dealt in order to be able to support deaf children in Zambia who get no support at all and received a minimal education because of this. I got absolutely slated by you guys and it was really upsetting. I hope now some of you can appreciate how impossible life would be being profoundly deaf with no support,

Sarah


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:23 
Being in the audience for that game was very exciting!

The most moving part was when Barbara, who'd been nothing but professional throughout the entire game, suddenly became tearful and had to sit down. It showed us all just how strong the bond between the two of them was and only the most hard-hearted of people wouldn't have been touched by it.

After that, nobody in that room wanted Mark to go home with a blue (Banker included, I strongly suspect), and it really was a massive relief when he took the thirty grand. The fact that it then turned out to be an OPW was the icing on the cake.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 18:46 
What a great comeback! Congats to a fellow Mark! Enjoy the money!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 19:37 
Congratulations to Mark. For me, that was one of the most enjoyable games ever. Mark had a wonderful sense of humour and was extremely courageous and he thoroughly deserved his 30k - I hope he enjoys it.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 19:49 
Sue has had 1,684,500 pounds in boxes :shock: But Mark will be ledgend even if he can't talk :D Clive was also in that position you know one position two memorable games :)

Why are the pretty girls and boys line up slowly stopping If Nic, Mel, Nikki, Adie, Laura et cetera et cetera all go they'll be replaced with some oldies who want to play the game and some oldies who will be ledgends look at Clive 15k James was young and Clive replaced him and was the lol man of dond.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 20:17 
What an amasing show.no show normally has me in tears,but this show i felt i was really there,poor barbara ,i could she was getting very emotional with the game. but never mind he did very well 30k i wish them both all the very best for the future. i think they make a nice cuple


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 20:52 
I thought that was a classic. What a great guy - really pleased he won a big sum and trounced the banker.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 20:55 
This was an amazing game.

A fantastic OPW, another huge win of £30,000 - I was so worried MJ's big one was going to be a one-off, thank god for today!

And Reg...he certainly looks familiar...wonder why... :suspect: - he's there for a whole month now and you'll either love him or hate him! His game was a good 'un! :D

Well done, Mark and Barbara! :D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 20:55 
A great start to a new week. Mark's show was always going to be a bit different but him and Barbara made a great team and best of all it was a happy game with the perfect ending.

When Mark turned down £6,500 I was praying that he wouldn't find the £75,000. I kept thinking back to Claire's game on Saturday where if she had played on the Banker would of offered her £24,500 with the £75,000 remaining. So I was pleased to see the Banker offer £30,000 and whilst a little bit of me wanted Mark to no deal at that stage I am so glad he didn't as it would of been horrible to watch if had gone home with £500.

On this supposed horrible day of the year DOND provided a great feel good game.


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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 21:00 
SarahW wrote:
I thought that was a fantastic game and it was a good to see howwell supported deaf people are in this country. In my game in November I dealt in order to be able to support deaf children in Zambia who get no support at all and received a minimal education because of this. I got absolutely slated by you guys and it was really upsetting. I hope now some of you can appreciate how impossible life would be being profoundly deaf with no support,

Sarah


That is one of the best posts of the year. The burden you clearly felt in your game was immense - and the offer you took was by no means a clear-cut No Deal in my book. (I'm maybe about 92% sure I'd No Deal it, but that would be more like 29% if I was playing for charity.) The people who 'absolutely slated' you are almost without exception crazy. They can have someone else 'playing the game', there's always enough of them especially when they're exposed to two weeks of having it rammed down their throats six hours a day in the studio...

As for today's game, you just cannot possibly ask for a happier ending.

Even basicasic is mentioning the deal amongst the positive elements of that game. Whether that was because even he would take it, because there was a No Deal on a four-blue final five beforehand or he just wants to be less hated I'm not sure, but I pretty much agree with him.

I was just about to give up watching the show altogether, thinking the show had now become a parody of itself. But I'm very, very seriously considering watching tomorrow's episode.

That, my friends, is how good today's game was.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 21:11 
The third-orund board looked JUST like Harry's, and it was the same offer - and until 2-box, it looked like it was going the same way! But that avoidance of the 75k seemed as though it was the 250k!

The 30k offer was really high, but not overly so becuase he was thinking of no-dealing, and also having walked the tightrope for effectively 2 rounds, he deserved a big payout for having worked really hard to reach that position. £500 after THAT round would have been awful, certainly much less awful than finding the 75k in his box after taking the 30k.

A real classic show, well done Mark, and also Barbara of course!

And you were great too Sarah - at the time I thought your deal was completely justifiable, and I'd have considered it even if you weren't playing for charity - I'd have been uncomfortable about no-dealing due to the total insults being offered on 1-box games around that time (ie Judy's £350), so people like you getting out when the going was good was totally understandable! :D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 21:16 
Just for the record to what Sarah said, I never slated anybody :D - you do get reckless gamblers on here who despise early dealers, is all! :)


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 22:00 
Wasn't going to watch today's show but popped in here earlier and saw the last page of this thread and thought, why not. Still felt most of the tension though, and that last round must have been unbearable!

Mark did put by at the beginning that he considered himself lucky in that he couldn't hear the banker - and I think the fact he couldn't hear Noel either was a big help, I imagine a lot of the other contestants would have dealt the £6,500 - the round that followed would have been even more unbearable if it was a proveout!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 22:05 
I was not expecting Mark today, that definitely came as a surprise.

THAT WAS AWESOME! i loved that game. Mark was an awesome contestant. I always knew his game would be interesting and i wasn't proved wrong.

And what a different a month or so makes, this month has had a lot of awesome games, lets hope it continues.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 22:19 
A BIG WELL DONE TO THEM BOTH :lol: ;) :D


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 22:19 
KP wrote:
[Even basicasic is mentioning the deal amongst the positive elements of that game. Whether that was because even he would take it, because there was a No Deal on a four-blue final five beforehand or he just wants to be less hated I'm not sure, but I pretty much agree with him.


As I have stated many times KP, irrespective of whether I would deal or not, if someone takes a risk and then deals I am usually happy. It the contestants who take no risk whatsoever and expect an easy payout that I deplore.

I'm afraid I summarize the games as I see them. If that makes me hated then thats a cross I can bear. I will say this though. However scathing my criticism may be its always based on the way they play the game or dealt and I never make disparaging personal remarks about anyone. I've never called anyone a 'sicko' or laughed at their appearance (Divvy and Maud excepted of course :)).


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 22:46 
Well Done Mark! :D

Fantastic Game Enjoy £30,000 Well Done!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:03 
brilliant game Mark. hope you enjoy the money.
i love it when players carry on and beat the banker big time. :)
he seemed like a nice guy so deserves the win


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:05 
30k was well worth dealing. It was almost a suicidal move for the banker to offer £30,000 on that finish, and he paid dearly for it just like last week when he, for some reason, offered £41,000 on a 250k/mid red backup/blue board. He wants people to deal for some reason, which doesn't adhere to Endemols efforts to get people gambling :?

As long as they adhere to the poor offers on good boards and good offers on poor boards concept then the show will get a lot better. It's when people deal those poor offers on good boards and no deal good offers on poor boards people get a bit *beep*ed off on this forum, certainly in this household!

Offers on blue/power 5 finishes should always be average. Not too high, not too low, it gives the player a decision, not a clear cut deal nor clear cut no deal. Red/Red finishes should always have the lower end of the scale for offers, I physically feel sick when someone deals on a power 5/ power 5 finish!


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:32 
What a great game today. To go from a strong board at 11 box and turn down £20K and then hit 4 of the power 5 seemed like heartbreak.

Amazing how 2 games in a row, the player managed to keep the £75K in play but not have in on the table. The 5-box offer is one that is really up to the player if they want to gamble. On Saturday playing safe was unlucky, today it worked out.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:39 
lathebault wrote:
30k was well worth dealing. It was almost a suicidal move for the banker to offer £30,000 on that finish, and he paid dearly for it just like last week when he, for some reason, offered £41,000 on a 250k/mid red backup/blue board. He wants people to deal for some reason, which doesn't adhere to Endemols efforts to get people gambling :?


But this time, two mitigating factors: the £31,500 proveout lie from last game was still fresh in the mind and they wanted to make it look authentic with this great opportunity in the same finish; more pertinently, a £30,000 Deal would have been a joyous happy ending regardless, a lower offer risked a crash to £500, horrific television and the loss of quite a few viewers.

Besides, I would say that any below-mean offer that's taken when the 'normal' offer would not is smart from the Banker. Otherwise his liability is the mean...

Quote:
As long as they adhere to the poor offers on good boards and good offers on poor boards concept then the show will get a lot better. It's when people deal those poor offers on good boards and no deal good offers on poor boards people get a bit *beep*ed off on this forum, certainly in this household!


Yes. This is the weakness of the targetist approach. Targetists tend to be cowardly on the best boards, yet will turn down anything on £20k and four blues. Or so it seems.

Quote:
Offers on blue/power 5 finishes should always be average. Not too high, not too low, it gives the player a decision, not a clear cut deal nor clear cut no deal.


I agree, and I think they generally do that. £25k on 1p/£100k, which we had fairly recently I think, was superb in that respect. Especially as it's almost saying 'should have been £26k' now.

Quote:
Red/Red finishes should always have the lower end of the scale for offers, I physically feel sick when someone deals on a power 5/ power 5 finish!


Haha! Reasonable point, though personally I disagree with you on the all-power 5 finish as the offer's always so near (sometimes at) the mean, and while it may seem a no-lose situation, I'd say also there's no point taking a chance rather than no point not doing so! But that's me.


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:40 
Well done Mark on playing the perfect game with a great OPW.


Enjoy the £ 30k.


Jim


  
 
 
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 23:58 
KP wrote:
But this time, two mitigating factors: the £31,500 proveout lie from last game was still fresh in the mind


The proveouit offer was £24.5K on Saturday.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 00:00 
Forgot that, so in that case it's definitely the feel-good factor.

I'm sure £31,500 came up before but obviously further back...


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 00:55 
Excellent show - that was the most generous blue vs 75K since Donna wasn't it! :shock:


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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 01:18 
Blue vs £30k? You mean blue vs £75k.

Of course, the one time £30k appeared as a box value, the game came down to blue vs £30k...


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 01:30 
Nice one Mark I do not blame you for dealing the 30K at all I would have - it was a ridiculously generous offer compared to the tripe he usually offers up. Well done! :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 08:18 
[quote="KP a lower offer risked a crash to £500, horrific television and the loss of quite a few viewers.

[/quote]

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that someone's game crashing would have a negative effect on the viewing figures.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:42 
Excellent game thanks to the great sense of humour shown by Mark & Barbara.

BTW... yesterday, I could only find one working pen to take down notes for the game. During the break, I glanced at the writing on it & discovered it was a charity pen for the Royal National Institute for the Deaf!

Now that's weird!


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:04 
Well done Mark on a famous win!


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:19 
Great game, brilliant win, was fascinating to watch. Well played Mark.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 13:16 
Ah Basicasic reckons he,s being stalked by a wizened old hag,nobody can be that hard up.The dond crowd are being stalked my a nutter but nobody invited him to join their fan club but at least he,s giving us all a good laugh


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 13:49 
Great show Mark and a courageous player to boot,deserved your win.

I'm a little puzzled why Pat has put the Basicasic comment on your thread? ;) ;) ;)


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 13:50 
pat_east_wing wrote:
Ah Basicasic reckons he,s being stalked by a wizened old hag,nobody can be that hard up.The dond crowd are being stalked my a nutter but nobody invited him to join their fan club but at least he,s giving us all a good laugh


I find the whole thing rather amusing. No-one's really being stalked and no-one's really a nutter. There have been forum members in the past who have directly insulted contestants for dealing too soon. There was one forum member in particular who would literally say "What an idiot for dealing" - getting a dig at the person themself, which is ridiculous as you cannot judge someone by how they deal. For this reason (amongst others) he was banned as it is of course against the forum rules to directly insult other forum members - and he was insulting some of the contestants who signed up to the forum, and it got out of hand.

Looking back over the past few threads, I don't think there has been any evidence of basicasic, maggieq or anyone directly insulting you or other players. They have called your deal pathetic and so on - but they are talking about your decision, rather than you as a person. There is a world of difference between saying "Your deal was pathetic" and saying "You are pathetic for dealing then". I have been carefully monitoring all these threads (as has kestral) and I personally haven't seen any negative or hurtful comments directed at the contestants. I have seen negative comments directed at the contestants' decisions, but no-one has said anything along the lines of "You are a sicko for dealing" or anything.

If you go on a national TV show, you are not going to be liked by everyone - and not everyone is going to like your decision. Having looked at other forums (such as the Channel 4 and DigitalSpy ones), I am quite appalled at how some people seem to be allowed to get away with calling contestants idiots and so on, and sometimes even making negative comments about a contestant's personal appearance, which is ridiculous. Someone did that on this site once - they said someone was clinically obese - and the posts were removed as direct insults or negative comments to ANYONE - contestant or forum member - will not be tolerated. However, people crictising someone's decision cannot be stopped.

I suppose it's similar in politics. Some people disagreed with Tony Blair going to war with Iraq. But most people probably disliked his decision, rather than disliking him. Anti-war marches were allowed as it's a democracy but if people stepped over the line and tried to break into the Houses of Commons and throw flour bombs at Blair, then they'd be chucked out. It's the same with this forum, although I cannot speak for other forums. The bottom line is - if someone criticises someone's decision then that is fair enough. If someone criticises someone's personality, appearance or otherwise, then that is getting a bit near the line, and I can think of two forum members who have been banned over the last year for criticising contestants' personalities and looks on a regular basis, as it is just not needed.

Some forum members are rather direct with how they say things. I said I "would have played on" in Pat's game, whereas basicasic called your deal "pathetic". But I'm not aware that he called you pathetic. There are many posts on this forum and it could be possible that such a post has slipped under the net somewhere, but I don't believe it has, and if someone did make a post insulting a contestant's looks or personality or whatever, then it would be removed as it is unnecessary to make such comments.

We all have our different ways of playing Deal or No Deal. Some people are targetists and deal the moment their target comes up; some people are plain cautious and deal early to ensure they get money; some people play to the end regardless and some play just to win big money in order to get the glory. Some people also play the board with an analytical / mathematical point of view. But all these different ways of playing the game mean that whatever a player does in their game, SOMEONE is going to disagree with it - but that's just a matter of life.

Oh and as for basicasic's signature - there's no evidence one way or the other who he's referring to - I believe you get quite a few wicthes and wizards in the remote part of Scotland where he lives. I suspect one of them has tried to chat him up, and that is who he is referring to. :shock:


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 13:53 
Aye! :lol:

We all love you anyway Pat! :D As long as you're not the one stalking him, that is ;)


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 13:56 
Thanks H2005 ,great explanation and balanced for both sides ,if you ever put yourself up for M.P you have my vote.

:-D :-D :-D


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 14:13 
h2005 wrote:
pat_east_wing wrote:
Ah Basicasic reckons he,s being stalked by a wizened old hag,nobody can be that hard up.The dond crowd are being stalked my a nutter but nobody invited him to join their fan club but at least he,s giving us all a good laugh


I find the whole thing rather amusing. No-one's really being stalked and no-one's really a nutter. There have been forum members in the past who have directly insulted contestants for dealing too soon. There was one forum member in particular who would literally say "What an idiot for dealing" - getting a dig at the person themself, which is ridiculous as you cannot judge someone by how they deal. For this reason (amongst others) he was banned as it is of course against the forum rules to directly insult other forum members - and he was insulting some of the contestants who signed up to the forum, and it got out of hand.

Looking back over the past few threads, I don't think there has been any evidence of basicasic, maggieq or anyone directly insulting you or other players. They have called your deal pathetic and so on - but they are talking about your decision, rather than you as a person. There is a world of difference between saying "Your deal was pathetic" and saying "You are pathetic for dealing then". I have been carefully monitoring all these threads (as has kestral) and I personally haven't seen any negative or hurtful comments directed at the contestants. I have seen negative comments directed at the contestants' decisions, but no-one has said anything along the lines of "You are a sicko for dealing" or anything.

If you go on a national TV show, you are not going to be liked by everyone - and not everyone is going to like your decision. Having looked at other forums (such as the Channel 4 and DigitalSpy ones), I am quite appalled at how some people seem to be allowed to get away with calling contestants idiots and so on, and sometimes even making negative comments about a contestant's personal appearance, which is ridiculous. Someone did that on this site once - they said someone was clinically obese - and the posts were removed as direct insults or negative comments to ANYONE - contestant or forum member - will not be tolerated. However, people crictising someone's decision cannot be stopped.

I suppose it's similar in politics. Some people disagreed with Tony Blair going to war with Iraq. But most people probably disliked his decision, rather than disliking him. Anti-war marches were allowed as it's a democracy but if people stepped over the line and tried to break into the Houses of Commons and throw flour bombs at Blair, then they'd be chucked out. It's the same with this forum, although I cannot speak for other forums. The bottom line is - if someone criticises someone's decision then that is fair enough. If someone criticises someone's personality, appearance or otherwise, then that is getting a bit near the line, and I can think of two forum members who have been banned over the last year for criticising contestants' personalities and looks on a regular basis, as it is just not needed.

Some forum members are rather direct with how they say things. I said I "would have played on" in Pat's game, whereas basicasic called your deal "pathetic". But I'm not aware that he called you pathetic. There are many posts on this forum and it could be possible that such a post has slipped under the net somewhere, but I don't believe it has, and if someone did make a post insulting a contestant's looks or personality or whatever, then it would be removed as it is unnecessary to make such comments.

We all have our different ways of playing Deal or No Deal. Some people are targetists and deal the moment their target comes up; some people are plain cautious and deal early to ensure they get money; some people play to the end regardless and some play just to win big money in order to get the glory. Some people also play the board with an analytical / mathematical point of view. But all these different ways of playing the game mean that whatever a player does in their game, SOMEONE is going to disagree with it - but that's just a matter of life.

Oh and as for basicasic's signature - there's no evidence one way or the other who he's referring to - I believe you get quite a few wicthes and wizards in the remote part of Scotland where he lives. I suspect one of them has tried to chat him up, and that is who he is referring to. :shock:


Excellent post h2005, I think you have summed it up.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 14:19 
Big-Davey wrote:
Aye! :lol:

We all love you anyway Pat! :D As long as you're not the one stalking him, that is ;)


If everyone loved Pat h2005 would not have had to post his excellent post, You really are divvy Divvy.

I never saw Pats games but from her posts on this forum I'm not her greatest fan.


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 18:30 
Mark i am so pleased for you,you and barb were wonderful neighbours i have missed our laughs so much.thanks for the lovely text messages that you send me they are wonderful you are true friends.See you in Brighton.Pat


  
 
 
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 19:17 
Excellent posts from both KP and h2005 there. I agree with both of them.

I think the people that called contestants idiots for dealing were much younger then and just didn't like the decision altogether and labeled the player an idiot rather than their decision idiotic. Basicasic hasn't insulted anyone for as far as I have been reading these forums ...! Disrespect to anyones looks is out of order... I don't see any of these points headed towards Pat except the 'idiotic decision' one, which still was used sparingly by Basicasic.

I found basicasic's signature hilarious, and found no such linkage to Pat.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 00:42 
lathebault wrote:
I found basicasic's signature hilarious, and found no such linkage to Pat.

I'd be interested to know why you found it hilarious. What's it referring to?

I applaud h2005's well-thought out post earlier on this thread. However, I do think it naive in the extreme for anybody to be unaware that the references to a 'wizened old hag' and a 'gargoyle' could not be interpreted as referring to Basicasic's feelings about Pat, particularly since Pat and Basicasic seem to be indulging in a slanging match here at the moment. If, of course, the signature is actually referring to something totally different then perhaps Basicasic could explain what it means? Let's clear this misunderstanding up for the benefit of all concerned.

Some of the players this month have been described here using words such as 'dour' and 'uncharismatic'. Whilst these words aren't direct insults, I think it's fair to say they're not exactly positive remarks! On this very thread, a previous player has described how 'upsetting' some of the comments made here following her game were to her. If posters here want to make such negative remarks about the players with no regard as to whether that player may be upset by them, then -- so long as the admin people here permit it -- I suppose they can. That still doesn't stop it from being rather an unfriendly way to behave though.


  
 
 
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 18:34 
lathebault wrote:
Excellent posts from both KP and h2005 there. I agree with both of them.

I think the people that called contestants idiots for dealing were much younger then and just didn't like the decision altogether and labeled the player an idiot rather than their decision idiotic. Basicasic hasn't insulted anyone for as far as I have been reading these forums ...!


So if Orry was to read Basic's posts in his game thread he wouldn't be insulted?


  
 
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