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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:22 pm    Author: KP    Post subject:
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I am specifically pointing the finger at Chris_M. Said that Chantelle was stupid, and only just got herself out the horse poo, or something like that, and then totally worships Patrick for dealing £50,000 even though he had the £250,000.


Chris_M is capable of realising that outcomes other than the one that actually would have occurred were possible, at least to the knowledge of the player when they make their decision.

Chantelle did act in a manner that I considered borderline reckless, and Patrick was justifiably cautious (whether I would have done the same I'm not sure). If they'd both had 1p - both possibilities at the time - who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:24 pm    Author: jmas07    Post subject:
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If they'd both had 1p - both possibilities at the time - who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?


That's just like saying 'If they'd both had £250,000, who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?'

Don't try and twist it to make it sound like Chantelle was an idiot, when she wasn't.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:26 pm    Author: Rockjack    Post subject:

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i still dont understand why the 26k then29k was offered. so really low?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:32 pm    Author: iainmacn    Post subject:

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yeah on reflection I think I'd agree James - particularly given how mean the banker was with the previous offer.

Makes what Kelsie did seem even more sensible IMO. if it's about 50% chance to lose, 50% to gain then even though the biggest winning amount was bigger, I'd still go for a deal.

I guess the offer was low because the banker thought he could get a deal for it. I guess that's where he makes a judgement of the payers - pretty harsh though but I guess that's the game.

I found that one of the hardest games to watch because it was obviously so upsetting :(


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:55 pm    Author: fd1972uk    Post subject:

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The way the game played out, I don't actually think Kelsie would have played out the last numbers as she did. I'm sure she'd admit this too, that this wasn't her honest choices.

She was heard saying that she was 'scared' of what Di had, however straight after dealing that's the one she went for, when to be honest if she hadn't dealt, she woulda kept it, so maybe keeping the £750 might have been worrying, however still think everything pointed to a bigger win.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:43 pm    Author: cookie_monster    Post subject:
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KP wrote:
jmas07 wrote:
I am specifically pointing the finger at Chris_M. Said that Chantelle was stupid, and only just got herself out the horse poo, or something like that, and then totally worships Patrick for dealing £50,000 even though he had the £250,000.


Chris_M is capable of realising that outcomes other than the one that actually would have occurred were possible, at least to the knowledge of the player when they make their decision.

Chantelle did act in a manner that I considered borderline reckless, and Patrick was justifiably cautious (whether I would have done the same I'm not sure). If they'd both had 1p - both possibilities at the time - who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?


Calling a brave contestant stupid - hpw incredibly sad. :? Chantelle just so happens to be one of 2 of my most favourite contestants :evil:

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If they'd both had 1p - both possibilities at the time - who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?


That's just like saying 'If they'd both had £250,000, who would have been the hero and who would have been the villain?'

Don't try and twist it to make it sound like Chantelle was an idiot, when she wasn't.


Your opinion may vary on Chantelle, though I certainly have mine and it differs.

You've actually undermined your own point. If Julie from January and John G from February both had £250,000, the former would have been a villain and the latter a legend. As it is, they both had blues, Julie got a spectacular OPW, John G had a disaster.

What I'm trying to say is that there is a tendency to judge people based on how their game went, including the proveout if they Deal, rather than on their decisions based on what is known at the time. There'd be no game if you knew where the money was!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:33 am    Author: smooth_criminal    Post subject:

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I've actually got more respect for the players who deal at a sensible sum than the ones who go right to the end without hardly considering any of the offers. It means they know the value of money.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:42 am    Author: KP    Post subject:
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ITA, smooth_criminal! Some are too cautious for me (and I'm known as very cautious among most of the fans here and at Bother's Bar), and Kelsie was one; however, it was obvious she was very nervous and had a figure in mind. (In more ways than one...)

The games of Chantelle, Dennis and about one in three January players could just as easily have skipped all six rounds and gone straight to the box opening. Does that sound dull? Exactly.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:36 pm    Author: david3383    Post subject:

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An article from Kelsie's local paper, the Shropshire Star:

http://www.shropshirestar.co.uk/2007/03/kelsie-sobs-at-missing-jackpot/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:43 pm    Author: smooth_criminal    Post subject:

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Personally I think Kelsie was very brave to turn down the previous offer of £20,000 (which I would have taken) as she only had 2 higher amounts, and I think she should have been rewarded for this instead of being punished like she was.

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