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KP

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:02 pm    Author: KP    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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We all know that while DOND doesn't comes under the auspices of gambling per-se, in reality they are "gambling" on an cash offer. When it could be be construed as gambling and actively flouting gambling rules would be when they have dealt and are then offered the bankers gamble - the name itself is a give away!


I'd like to know how "gambling" is strictly defined by Ofcom actually. I gather the Red or Black endgame worked as it did to circumvent gambling rules - I think the most recent iteration of the legislation allowed "transactional gambling", specifically including roulette, only after midnight. Hence, there was no actual gamble on the spin of the wheel - the spin merely decided if the million quid went to the contestant, or to the insurer that took on the risk of uncertain winnings on behalf of ITV.

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Noel has to talk about something and the common thread in the last 6 years has to be the 'bravery' of going to the end or the guilt at walking away from a big sum. Sure we have the 1p club but thats almost sidelined as an 'in joke' to the show.


Very true. I'd question, and question strongly, if that common thread could have been different, but that ship sailed some time in 2007, I think. This is why I sometimes suggest these days that Noel now influences players without even trying - he follows the show's loose-knit catchphrase-driven script, which just happens to place a positive slant on risky play. I probably notice it more because of having studied politics at university, as similar "framing" occurs in the political sphere.

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I presume you are referring to jackpotjoy.com? If you go on their website they are a wide ranging gambling site. It is rather curious that a gambling advertisement was approved to replace a yoghurt product.


As I said, it's a voluntary code. Interesting here to note that bingo has always had a specific exemption (as has the National Lottery), and the jackpotjoy.com sponsorship trailers are themed around bingo. Hence, jackpotjoy.com is probably following the letter of the voluntary code, but it strikes me that it's not following its spirit - the site does far more than bingo, and that includes DoND-sponsored digital slot machines. That's exactly the sort of loophole I would hope regulation could work around.

Speaking of regulation, the Ofcom guidance on gambling advertisements state that "Advertisements for gambling must not… exploit the susceptibilities, aspirations, credulity, inexperience or lack of knowledge of children, young persons or other vulnerable persons… suggest that gambling can be a solution to financial concerns… [or] be of particular appeal to children or young persons." If we treated the show as per an advert, would it pass that test? Probably at least a handful of episodes would cross that line (Rob's springs to mind).

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When we consider the unknowns that may be thrown up with the live shows that statement could could be more prophetic that you could imagine!


Oh, very possibly - because this game will be so fresh in the viewing audience's mind, it could well make them more inclined to gamble... but there'll be no hiding place in a live show if Noel turns on the spin!

As to why what Noel says matters, well, I'll quote Sara Lueddeke, a researcher into cognitive processes in gambling, from an interview I had with her for the student magazine in 2009: "A lot of research has stated that in certain types of framing of questions you are going to make a risk-averse or a risk-seeking decision."

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Simon F

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:30 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Given Laura said she'd have dealt £5k more than the offer she got at 2-box, it would be fascinating to know what (if there was an amount) would have got Tegen to deal at 2-box.

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Big-Davey

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:10 pm    Author: Big-Davey    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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What saddens me is the article in the free Metro this morning about her win; apparently her cancer had since returned but she's in remission. Hope everything is going to be alright eventually! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:07 pm    Author: h2005    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Maybe the £250k club should be renamed the LAST club:

Laura
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:18 pm    Author: maggieq    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen

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:smt023 whos a clever man to think that one up!|gota hand it to you "H"you are a genious.lets hope there will be a male name to add to the list soon.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:36 pm    Author: kestral    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Tegen appeared on the Westcountry ITV news tonight in an interview about her Deal or No Deal jackpot win...

I've uploaded the interview to Youtube so everyone can view it :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39i-A_8gr_E

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:30 pm    Author: BankerSpanker    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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There's an article on BBC News now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-15026671

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:49 pm    Author: Power5    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Unbelievable, another quarter millionaire! Just watched this and an amazing story as well as a fantastic game.

Think the last one I watched was the previous £250k win... The live shows sound interesting though, will tune in for some of those!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:16 pm    Author: Simon F    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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It's an extension on not being allowed back into the studio isn't it? You're not allowed to see £250k games as they're shown on the telly. :P


Although according to MisterAl's blog, there was an-ex Christmas Star player in the audience for Tegen's game (perhas they have a different set of rules as they weren't regular players)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:41 am    Author: sonicrules    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen

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Amazing game, amazing person, I didn't know about the win either, that's how I prefer it, I'm very pleased for her, couldn't have happened to a more deserving person!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:48 am    Author: Dr. Hindsight    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen

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Wow. Sometimes, the best things come from out of nowhere. Amazing to see someone else walk off with the jackpot, and only a few months after the last person did it. It's strange that all four of the 250K winners thus far have been women, and three of them Welsh. Here's hoping a male quarter-millionaire is eventually crowned.

Congrats to Tegen for the win, and for showing that the Banker's offers are often poorly-pitched.

Interesting how the other, more "popular" Mark - and I'm using that term lightly, folks - has been absent from this thread. He's become more of punchline than I have. I wonder if the reason why he hasn't been banned yet is because he provides you lot with some comedic value.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:28 am    Author: Big-Davey    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Two were Welsh, the other was Irish :)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:35 am    Author: Skyline    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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If it wasn't for Duane... ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:31 am    Author: Big-Davey    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Oh no shadow of doubt Duana inspired the win...whether it'd still have happened or not without him is debateable but he should still take some credit.

I loved how Noel talked up the idea of him cruelly killing the dream after his advice, and for what felt like the first time ever it DIDN'T happen (we're so used to Noel talking it up and ironically that player DID have the biggest amount!)

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"The Banker"

PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:43 pm    Author: "The Banker"    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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Just watched Tegen's game on 4OD and wow what a fantastic game!!!! I really enjoyed that. :D

Really really pleased for Tegen, what a truly inspirational lady! It's nice to see a genuinely deserving player win the jackpot! And it's great to hear that some of the money will go to the charties that helped her! :)

And on a completely random note, I liked her floral shrug cardigan! :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:12 pm    Author: DanS    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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I was away for 2 weeks. That's it, just 2 freaking weeks! And I miss a game that is apparantly better than Suzannes? Well of all the luck... :smt011 :smt011


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:18 pm    Author: "The Banker"    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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You can catch up on 4OD though. :smt023

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:23 pm    Author: DanS    Post subject: Re: 22/09 Tegen
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You can catch up on 4OD though. :smt023


Too true, but I know the result now. That makes 3 out of 4 QM wins I've had to catch up on. So uncool.


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