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JamesJMH91

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:11 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: When did DoND stop being good?

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Since i'm trying in a desperate attempt to keep activity on here going (besides the stupid spambots clogging up the forum :smt011 )......

When do you honestly think "Deal" stopped being good? For me, the last good period of DoND was the first half of 2009, i.e. The Dan Judge/H2005/1000th show era, and I thought the Post-1000th show era (Easter 2009 through to £75k Amy's game) was pretty good too, but then it kind of slumped back into it's Season 3-esque mediocrity again after that. But I think the show really started to go downhill after Ramesh's game in April 2010, with a period of bad luck during the summer months, and players noticeably getting more and more cautious during the latter half of the year, and once the show became an hour long, the show became practically unwatchable due all the padding and forced humour. Not to mention the fact that most contestants from 2010-onwards were so cautious, that the majority of them were essentially using the game as an ATM rather than playing the game statistically, as they were always taking "safety first" 8-box or 5-box (sometimes 11-box) deals, which meant we were often starved of big wins or even remotely exciting games


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American Coupon Boy

PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:51 pm    Author: American Coupon Boy    Post subject: Re: When did DoND stop being good?
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Honestly, the only period where the show felt completely rotten was post-Iris in 2013. That game felt like a catalyst to an absurd level of caution shown by nearly every contestant. The game felt like a simple game of just getting to the 3rd offer (even though the 1st two offers were often the most generous of the game :roll: ) and then weighing up whether they should deal then or go on and DEFINITELY deal at 8 box regardless of the offer (unless of course the game was a total trainwreck). And with the show still having an hour long time slot for every game, and filler used a lot of these games was so tedious it felt like a chore just to sit through an episode.

Yes, there was Marlene's and Paddy's games, but they felt like total flukes given they were both surrounded by extreme caution and poor offers. Granted, we should be thankful those 2 had by far the strongest boards during that era, for if virtually anyone else from that era had those boards there's 0 chance those games would be in live play past 8 box. :roll:

Things started looking up in December somewhat with Nenad's and Gwyn's games, but it still felt like the show was completely dominated by uber-caution, especially in the Christmas specials where every game was either a trainwreck or an 8 box deal.

As much crap as we give Box 23, it's absolutely what the show needed at the time. It was a subtle way to get players thinking they have a safety net even of all goes wrong, and gave some players the needed push to decline a poor 11 or 8 box offer.

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JamesJMH91

PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:45 am    Author: JamesJMH91    Post subject: Re: When did DoND stop being good?

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Not to mention that out of the very few contestants who were actually prepared to take risks during that era, almost all of them ended up winning blues, with the only notable exception being £20k Rosie who recovered to a near-spanking by opening her box following the £425k nightmare round in the fifth round. Olivia from October could qualify too as she had a strong board most of the way through and actually declined some significant offers, but was just unlucky to suddenly have a one-box game at 5-box, then take a decent get-out offer and then fail to find the £250k in the proveout


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FrenchAPOALFan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:30 pm    Author: FrenchAPOALFan    Post subject: Re: When did DoND stop being good?

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My knowledge of the "recent era" is probably pretty weak because most of the DonD episodes on internet are from 2005-2009, but when i check some resume, or some videos of recent games, it seems we saw very poor offer in the "recent games".

When you have Blue/Low Red finish, offers were nowhere in recent era. Like a few hundred pounds when you can win 3k or 5k, or 1/2k when you can win 10/15k on a coin flip.

I watch most of the 2005 episodes and the offers were a lot better (at least 1k on Blue/£3,000 finish. It helps to see a lot of "cautious deal" because you can think "Well, i have no way to quit if i have a bad round i'm gonna be punished for a bad round".

I saw a lot of recent episodes where first/second/third deal would be the "good move" because after you fall into the blue offers despite the presence of red amounts on the board.

I know i'm very cautious, but i think it cames to play, it's a lot more easier to gamble when you know you can have an emergency issue in case of problem, and in "recent era" you don't have this. It's the same idea with the french version with "swap offers".

In the french version (not the recent from 2014) but the older in 2005, i advise 9 times on 10 a "first deal offer" because after you can have only "swaps offers" and then you are screwed. On a french youtube episode a guy had £1/£500,000. In the uk version you can except for this finish (i know the top prize is 250k) but in the uk i guess the offer would be at least £90 000 ?

His offer was a SWAP then another SWAP when his first answer was NO SWAP and he won the £1.

I think he had huge regrets (not sure if it's an english word as well ?) huge remorse for not taking some offers at 20/30/50k before. I could write a resume of this game like the uk ones. The weak offers in uk can have a similar effect i think. The fear of a very weak offer which means "no way to escape" can lead to early deal even if the uk version i would almost never advise a 1st offer deal like the french version.


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American Coupon Boy

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:00 pm    Author: American Coupon Boy    Post subject: Re: When did DoND stop being good?
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I'd also be dealing the 1st financial offer in most games on the French and Italian version in the early days as they're usually quite generous for the board and 95% of the time either 1) the Banker will make progressively LESS generous offers as the game progresses and/or 2) I'll be forced to the end by bunch of swaps.

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FrenchAPOALFan

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:15 pm    Author: FrenchAPOALFan    Post subject: Re: When did DoND stop being good?

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Yeah, a guy thought about dealing at first offer in 2014 version and his only offer was a bunch of swaps or offer less generous than the first one, he ended up by winning something like 2k or 3k in his box and a first offer deal would have been a spanking.

Another guy dealt at the 2nd offer, and he had a *beep* proveout

Random Blue
Random Blue
Random Blue

£10,000

BANKER'S OFFER
WOULD'VE BEEN

£7,000

: You dealt too soon OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR !!!


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